Posts by umbertoecho

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Using Governing Body Member Jackson Testimony To The Royal Commission, For A Defense Before A Judicial Committee Meeting

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think that a person that is called before a judicial committee can use a recording of the trial and force the elder to view it because of jackson's statement to the commission and get off.

i think mr jackson has said enough about people who wish to leave the witnesses as not being harassed, hunted down, or spied upon and such to get the elder off your back and give them a "good witness".. also to be highlighted is the fact that jackson has stated under oath that the governing body is willing to reexamine doctrine and policy in order to conform to the law,.

i think many statements by gb jackson to the commission can be used by some one clever and thus escape the label of apostate and be unhindered to a large extent of speaking to others.. .

umbertoecho

Toesup

That was a good one too. How easy it will be for anyone to mouth those exact words as uttered by the GB Jackson.

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Using Governing Body Member Jackson Testimony To The Royal Commission, For A Defense Before A Judicial Committee Meeting

by Brokeback Watchtower in

i think that a person that is called before a judicial committee can use a recording of the trial and force the elder to view it because of jackson's statement to the commission and get off.

i think mr jackson has said enough about people who wish to leave the witnesses as not being harassed, hunted down, or spied upon and such to get the elder off your back and give them a "good witness".. also to be highlighted is the fact that jackson has stated under oath that the governing body is willing to reexamine doctrine and policy in order to conform to the law,.

i think many statements by gb jackson to the commission can be used by some one clever and thus escape the label of apostate and be unhindered to a large extent of speaking to others.. .

umbertoecho

But, won't they fall back on the "it's not a legal system in a secular sense...." Sort of way.?

I thought that Jackson was trying very hard to establish that this judiciary was more of a spiritual one, not a legal one. I was tricky of him and I don't know what secular authorities will do with it.....

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best ex JW sites

by cobweb in

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i used to visit this site about ten years ago.

i haven't come her in a long time.

i have just recently started talking to a family member who is leaving the jws and i wanted to know what are the best sites available these days for finding out all the topics of information - failed prophecy, 1975, rutherford's drinking, russells tombstone - you know all of that kind of stuff.. back in the day there used to be a site run by a norwegian i think called kent.

umbertoecho

Depending on how fragile this person may feel and supposing there is still some loyalty to the society, it might be best to go to Berean Pickets. The harder sites may make this person feel very uncomfortable and therefore they may need some doctrines proven right or researched well as to why they are wrong.

I know I spent ages, years on BP as I was often afraid of the sites where anything could crop up and scare me.............for some obscure reason I often felt I was in the wrong.....

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Misleading The Australian Royal Commission

by mtwtf in

has the australian rc been given misleading assurances that jws will fully comply with laws demanding that child sex offenses be reported to the police?

it appears that way when we look at the background to these assurances.

several jws testified to the rc, that they would have reported all child molestation cases to the police had they had been required to do so by law.

umbertoecho

The command centre want's the elders to phone them so they can do a quick check on the legal statutes in that area, or country......or whatever.

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Misleading The Australian Royal Commission

by mtwtf in

has the australian rc been given misleading assurances that jws will fully comply with laws demanding that child sex offenses be reported to the police?

it appears that way when we look at the background to these assurances.

several jws testified to the rc, that they would have reported all child molestation cases to the police had they had been required to do so by law.

umbertoecho

Oubliette is quite right. If there is a known crime committed and a person or persons fail to report they are culpable to a degree for not informing the police. Now I am sure there are many crimes that go unreported, but this particular one of child abuse, can land some people in very hot water.

I know this due to my own "reporting" of this crime against my children. She, the detective sat there listening, pen in hand, document infront of her........" So, are you willing to make a police report, an official report about this?"

"Yes, why do you think I'm here, just to have a chat?"

"No, I don't think that at all. It's just that we have so many come in and not make it official. When that happens we like to take actions that are in our powers to take".

That was in the early 80s. I had no qualms about what I was about to do. Not one, I wanted action for the future of the children. I wanted them to know they had been defended and I was very sorry not to have seen this side of that man. The point is, that even back then, the police did have a great capacity to involve others if not supplied with the legal go ahead of the parent, guardian or complainant. I know that not much has been done in those years. The things is, they were trying to work at it even then. I'm very aware of how they must have felt frustrated.

So there was always an obligation to report, it rarely happened though.

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Transcript for Jackson is now available for download.

by ToesUp in

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

select aug 14..

umbertoecho

I'm so bloody glad this is here for all to see. What a great access we have to every single word. Very very proud of this RC and my gratitude to them.

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New Inactive One Saying Hello to all

by Lostwun in

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friends

lostwun here, i joined 2 months ago but am now just finding the courage after doing more research to formally introduce myself to the board and embrace my new beginnings as an ex-jw.

i am a second-generation jw.

i grew up with parents who are well known and very respected in many circuits.

umbertoecho

Welcome Lostwun.

I hope this site helps you feel less alone.

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Beroean Pickets

by joe134cd in

hi i've been reading a web sight called borean pickets.

http://meletivivlon.com/2015/05/09/may-tv-broadcast-on-tv-jw-org/.

although the guy writes some real thought provoking stuff, i sort of don't know what to make of it.

umbertoecho

A good group and one that I agree, could be one of those sites that the org should be concerned about. They are pretty meticulous about getting to the facts or researching points that many of us have lived with and accepted.

I have watched it grow away from the official doctrines over time. They well mannered and have a font of knowledge between them...One of the writers is Alex Rover.

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Where mr jackson messes up.

by poopie in

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he is being questioned by stewart stewart ask question about df jackson says df is a bible principle notice he did not say law.

umbertoecho

But Jehovah is a God of law too. Didn't he know that? I have my little green book next to me, the one you read before you get dunked. It talks about the aspects of Jehovah.

It is a biblical law according to WTBTS. This makes it alllll better..............

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Women are Women and Men are men in the Real World , apparently not in J.W.`s world.

by smiddy in

according to j.w.`s the 144000 are a literal number of people , both men and women taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens .this would also include judging in this role.

(see another thread about women as judges).

women in the religion of j.w.`s have no place in leadership roles ,cannot be elders , ministerial servants , or serve in any position of authority , and have no teaching voice in any congregation .. yet faithful anointed women can , upon their death rule with christ jesus in heaven for 1000 years according to j.w.

umbertoecho

Maybe they think that real humans are only the ones with..............you know what. And that therefore it is unnecessary for women to be portrayed. All those pictures are really of men and women, but the women have been graced with the male genitals.....?Sorry about that.............way too much of the old whiskey at work here...

Crap, I've no clue about what I'm talking about..........