Is it time to demollish the welfare state in the UK

by Gill 136 Replies latest jw friends

  • Gill
    Gill

    I'm sure you'll tell me if I'm understanding you wrongly U/D, but this sex ed was compulsory at my children's school. It was something they HAD to do regardless and we all had to accept it and try to scrape some sense back into our kids heads. I immeadiately explained to them what they were going to learn at school and began on the more negative aspects of sex, ie disease, unwanted pregnancy.

    The problem I saw, was that the state had decided IT was going to educate 12 year olds 'how sex was done' and of course once you show kids how to do something, quite a few will think that they should then do what you have shown them.

    Brainless, senseless state, heavy handed, one class covers every thing and every body, education.

    What I don't grasp however, is if the state is so keen to give young kids graphic sex education and take it out of the parents control, then why don't they teach kids what it is, and what it is NOT all right for older people to do them, and quite quickly we could be tackling paedophilia, by educating children in a way that they need educating, how to recognise abuse and then, how to seek help.

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon



    upside/down

    Myth (but very PC)... especially if you're "selling" sex ed. In generations past there was NO sex ed... and the problem was small.



    There was less teen sex 'back-then'.

    All the same, there were the back-street abortions, the children 'born' to mothers with careless daughters, the women with bastards at her knees. Society was more fixed and controlling then.

    It is now far more fluid and liberal; to expect people to be as sexually repressed as they were is unrealistic.

    Likewise, as kids are now staying kids (as in at home with parents in education) far longer. Two hundred years ago marriage was younger, kids had to live adult lives sooner.

    So, at an age when kids were living as adults 200 years ago, the modern mid-teen is in a strange twilight world. They have the same hormonal drives, but none of the channels of release that were available 200 hundred years ago.

    Decent sex education gets them through this, by teaching them they can do it when they are ready, not when someone wnats them, and by making sure when they do have sex it will be safer sex.

    Poor sex education leaves them lost in a set of contradictory messages, some from outside and others from within.

    As for what I said being a myth; the USA has a poor level of sex education (including abstinance based systems). Countries with good levels of sex education have a higher age of first-sex and far lower rate of teen pregnancy than the US. If the difference in how the children are taught about sex (both in and out of the classrooms to be fair) is not what causes the difference what is it?

    I mean, are you saying the notoriously sexually liberal Dutch (which actually IS a bit of a myth) are giving it out LESS than AMeircan teenagers... so you're saying American teens are NASTY? It's their fault and not the fault of their parents and educators? Or is there some other cause.

    No they DO know and are taught...

    Taught what? And HOW? Taught well? Taught in a way that is relevent to them? A way that they will retain?

    No, it is the kids fault, you're right...

    ... and as for it being the parent's job, I agree. And it is the States responsibility to make sure that the children whose parents are NOT competent (and we all know how true this is) are brought up-to-speed in the lessons where the kids with decent parents are told stuff they already mostly know.

    Parents are obviously failing in their role and the State is failing in its responsibilities to the children damaged by such incompetent parenting.

    The kids are the last ones we should blame.

    fleaman uk

    I understand I might well feel as you if I had had your exposure.

  • scotsman
    scotsman

    It's "chavs" now but it was "casuals" in the 80s. And I got jumped by them and managed not to call out the death squads.

    Am I the only one that doesn't object to my taxes (15 years of) helping out those less fortunate than myself? Yes there are some blaggers, but I can live with that.

  • upside/down
    upside/down

    Gill- Wow, what can I say?

    I observed all of the sex ed material (and was encouraged by the schools to do so) with my wife and we AS DUBS, found the entire program absolutely EXCELLENT! It was just what I would have put together... I have absolutely no complaints. We should be grateful, considering the crap you've had to deal with.

    It sounds to me like sex ed in your area is PORN.

    Might as well just give the kids a subscription to Playboy...

    My wife is highly intelligent, was a "good" Dub, had a family worth living for and a decent education.... she still turned out to be a whoring slut and risked it all for SEX. Kinda rocks your world and makes no sense...even she can't explain it....

    "The only certainty in life...is uncertaintly"

    u/d (of the doesn't have it as bad as he thought class)

  • talesin
    talesin

    RE: sex ed (ab, I'm glad you joined this conversation)

    Here's an anecdotal experience that some of you may find enlightening ...

    I used to be a 'live-in' with teens ,,, yes, I lived with three homeless young women for a year, LOL,, it was the best of times and the worst of times ...

    Well, one of them (17 YO and with an almost-completed high school education) asked me about pregnancy/sex issues one day. I was telling her how the fertilized egg attaches to the uterus ... and she interrupted me and asked "What's a uterus?" I KID YOU NOT!!!?

    I drew her a diagram, and started over with the discussion, beginning with female anatomy. Lots more to her story, like how her mom kicked her out at 14 when she told mom that the new hubbie had been raping her, and mom called her a whore, oh yah,,,, think again before you condemn welfare moms ...

    SO , education is a big issue, at least that's how I see it.

    xo

    tal

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Scots:
    Nawww, I don't mind paying either. However I genuinely would like to see some kind of Community Service program in place, so that some benefit is reciprocated.

  • diamondblue1974
    diamondblue1974

    I agree with LT partly in that I wouldnt mind paying taxes to support those less fortunate but absolutely resent paying for those who are the author of their own misfortune, namely those that cannot be arsed to get jobs or cannot be arsed to do any work for the community as an alternative either. It essential that we that pay get value for what we pay.

    Paying for the sick and the elderly in my view is an obligation as much as anything else and dont resent that at all and I would like to see more of my money go to these instead of jobless wonders, yes my view is highly subjective and I confess that its not based upon any statistics or official studies but to actually demand some value where there currently isnt any doesnt in my view necessitate the use of statistics or official studies.

    DB74

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