Fakin it 'n stuff

by IP_SEC 100 Replies latest members private

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  SixofNine

  So your wife, who doesn't want to be married to an apostate, knows she is married to an apostate and is taking a de facto role in your deception?

  Btw, as someone who couldn't even read at the bookstudy for the last 6 years of my witness career, I knew and know that most believing elders were men of extremely low character practices.... but I gotta tell you, I don't know what I think about a person like you. I know I find your story very distasteful, but any more so than that of believers/gestapo/sockpuppets? :shrug:
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  stillajwexelder

  I am the same but I do not have all your privileges these days
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  arrowstar

  Purple is very wise.
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  Midget-Sasquatch

  am I the only person who feels that it is somewhat disingenuous to continue on in such a fashion.

  no bisous you arent the only one. I for one believe it is

  I felt and feel that way about myself too, but less now that I'm no longer an MS, and doing all that I used to ( a fraction of what you pull off ). I'm amazed that you can handle it so well IPSec, especially with that motherload. Do you have something you keep bringing up or going back to in your thoughts to help you keep your footing? A reference point that you have so you don't lose yourself to the jw persona? Thats sorta what I was asking with my first question cuz you have it mastered, and I'd love to know how its done.

  Loosie,

  Little Toe actually DA'ed himself while on the platform at the end of a public talk he gave, and during that talk he was making points that were not, shall we say, in line with the thinking of the Borg collective. There's a transcript of it somewhere. Wild and thoughtful. A classy way to get people awake.
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  fairchild

  I don't know what I think about a person like you. I know I find your story very distasteful,

  It is my honest experience in life that each individual has his or her own story, and unless the listener (reader) has every single detail, there is no way of knowing how a person came to be in a certain situation.
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  Aude_Sapere

  Loosie (and lurkers) -

  Here's links to LittleToe's SwanDive:

  http://www.angelfire.com/trek/littletoe/Profile.html (Transcript and .wav file are at the bottom of the page)

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/20680/1.ashx (JWD discussion)

  It's great reading. An all-time favorite of mine!!

  -Aude. (wishes she'd have been there...)
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  MidwichCuckoo

  SIX :- So your wife, who doesn't want to be married to an apostate, knows she is married to an apostate and is taking a de facto role in your deception?

  In my experience, I have found that as long as JW are attending the meetings, making up the numbers and keeping their mouths shut, what they actually FEEL doesn't matter. If it's not verbalised, it's not a threat, then maybe it'll go away...
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  TheListener

  IpSec,

  You made a great point. The start of the Daniel book is a mere couple months away! Sometimes I think that they picked that book just to weed out any with doubts. I have been thinking a lot lately that I can't go to the bookstudy to review that book. Like you this will be a big step on my fade; if I have the courage to do it.

  Hang in there, perhaps if you become (not that you aren't already) a really caring, loving and helpful husband who goes the extra mile your wife will see that you love her for her and not for her belief system and she'll return that love to you.

  When relationships are built on what the individuals believe instead of who the individuals are it can be difficult to change those beliefs. First change the basis of the relationship and the belief change won't be so traumatic.

  Easier said than done.
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  Sirona

  Bisous, I agree with you completely.

  IpSec, I think you should be ashamed of yourself.

  Listener, you are absolutely right. I love giving talks and helping people. The adoration of the friends will be extremely difficult to lose... That is my main hurtle right now. Selfish yes.

  So you love the power trip eh? WELL tell that to all the poor souls you're LYING TO every time you do a public talk! Giving them the JW bullshit guilt trips just so you can still be Mr. Perfect Elder Adored by Everyone.

  Now I understand some people having difficulties leaving, but to be a prominent elder and admitting that it is a cult but still leading people astray is horrid. Would you advise someone NOT to take full blood? How far will your lies go? Will you have someone lose their life for your stupid charade?

  Disgusting. Sirona
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  TheListener

  Sirona,

  IpSec is in a catch-22. He finds himself in a cult with a responsible position. He needs to do a few things. He needs to help others learn of the cult. He needs to keep his good relationship with his family, if possible. He needs to quit the cult.

  If, in order to accomplish these things, he needs to tow the Society line and put his thoughts in the background so be it. He is trying to take the middle road of a lose-lose situation. He can't win, not in the short run. It takes time to set the stage and make your way through the landmines exiting this cult puts in front of you.

  He is only telling the congregation members what it is they want to hear. He is telling them what the Society has printed for him to tell them, which is exactly what they want and expect. He is not lying or misleading them. If he tried to subtly add apostate teachings to his parts or discussions then he would be lying and misleading them. Even if it would be for their benefit it wouldn't be right.

  Based on what IPSec said about attending the bookstudy with the Daniel book being studied I would say he is having a tough time and instead of berating him for his course we should be encouraging him to stay true to himself and his family.

  Just my opinion, of course I just stepped aside as an elder myself so your post hit close to home.