Seattle Post Christmas Apostofest and Pictures

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  • gumby
    gumby

    I was going to not say anything concerning the little fiasco that happened....but would like to say that moment was only a very small part of this nice event. I wanted to say this for any who thought this party was ruined. The fiasco ended and the party got better and more lively. Actually, to me and a few others....as parties usually have a habit of doing....had a slow start but a great finish.

    I'm so glad I came, as I now can add to my list many more I now know in person, and the fact that I became extremely closer to those I already knew. What a great bunch of people you ex-dub bastards are!

    This apostofest had the #1 rating in all the world for the best looking bunch ever, and now stands as "The Champ".......................... It's record awaits to be broken.

    Steve and Princess became my mom and dad while I was here and I loved being their kid and having two wonderfull brothers and sisters to be with cept I was the big dumb kid. These two and their kids and family are #1. A really really bunch of good people.

    Gumby

  • flower
    flower
    Where was the apology? Did I miss something? (her saying "I'm sorry, I was an idiot"..............way too short for the extent of her attack)

    red hot said:

    I'm sorry for acting like an idiot eveyone. I think all the pain from leaving the religion and my divorce for some reason came out when I was around you. I really was so overwhelmed at meeting you. I get panic attacks when I get in big groups of people and I haven't been exposed to that large a group for sometime. I feel humiliated and very low at heart.I'm so sorry and I don't care who knows! I'm an idiot and I owe you all an apology. I don't plan to post anymore. I just feel that I can't. I really am not usually like that. Take care. You are a wonderful bunch of people.I really will miss you. You have really helped me in growing and letting go of the Borg brainwashing garbage.

    Thank you Princess for putting the Apostafest together. I'm sorry for being an idiot.

    I counted four apologies within that seemingly heartfelt post. Admittedly I do not know Redhot at all so I know nothing about whether the post was sincere or not but it seemed to me to be sincere and my comments were based upon that.

    In your case, Flower, you had a right to be angry. You overheard someone saying mean things about you, so your anger was justified. In this case, no one was being mean to RHCP, no one was putting her down. She had no right to be angry at the people who were there, her anger was entirely misdirected. I understand what she is going through, I've been there myself, but I also think that Princess has the right to be angry at some one who did say mean, nasty, and unjustified things to her.

    You misunderstood my point Maybies. Princess has every right to be angry, I never suggested otherwise. I was simply, mistakenly, projecting my standard of forgiveness on to someone else. I had every right to be angry at certain posters who trashed me without provocation yet I still speak to them and have forgiven them even without an apology. Admittedly, it took me more than a couple days. However that is me and its not my business to judge someone else for what they do or dont forgive....Thus my apology in my previous post.

    I shouldnt have spoken on it at all. But to see a heartfelt apology rejected like that just irked me thats all.

  • NOdenial
    NOdenial

    Does anyone know why you can't copy and paste from Word into this forum?? grrr!

    I'll have to retype it out.

  • NOdenial
    NOdenial

    OK? I think it is appropriate that we chime in at this point.

    Both Codeblue and I, NOdenial, share the same grief over the poor behavior displayed by RHCP. There is no excuse that can be said to make such behavior ?acceptable? at a private social gathering ? and I don?t really think anyone here is trying to write this off as such. Everyone at the get-together was attacked, and in the case of Princess ? who as the gracious hostess of this event that she IS?, did her best to calm this outburst, ended up becoming the main target of the unbridled rage that RHCP did not seem to be able to keep under control. Princess, Codeblue and I sincerely sympathize with your emotions on this matter.

    That being said, please allow us to tell you what happened as we drove RHCP during the 45 minute drive to? and from? the event. (RHCP? forgive us if this is a breach of trust between us, but it needs to be said).

    On the drive to the event, RHCP expressed several times how nervous she was to attend. Of course, many encouraged her to come ? so she mustered the courage and agreed to meet us half way to the event. She has never crossed the Canadian border by herself her whole life, and was uncomfortable with travel within the the US. Nonetheless, she made her way to our meeting point. Once in our car, she nervously inquired about the people that she would meet, their backgrounds, etc. From my observations, I could see that the mere fact that she was going to this event was a 'statement' to the world that she was separating herself from the organization. (I remember my emotional state the day I made this choice. I was highly emotional as well. I certainly was not of stable character during a long period of time afterwards. For me, it took several months to get a 'grip' on WHO I was.)

    While at the event? (again, forgive me RHCP), classic signs of paranoia were verbally being expressed. Wonderment over the character of many of the guests were expressed. RHCP said on more than one occasion that certain ones in the group were ?talking about her?; singling her out as ?the enemy?. Of course, I doubt this to be true in the least! Comments from her reflected her strong feelings of being a misfit. As a person fading from the organization, I don?t feel it is uncommon for one to have such paranoid feelings. This intense feeling of being watched. This is especially true of JW?s who are trained to be careful, for your brother will ?turn you in? if you are not loyal to the organization. The tension must have been very severe for her during the few hours she was there.

    Of course? then there was the melt down. Enough has been said about that.

    On the 45 minute drive back to her car, so she could drive back across the border to her home, allow me to tell you some of her comments:

    At first, her comments remained angry ? that this ?blowout? was the fault of the everyone in attendance. Codeblue?s and I never argued with a single one of her ?feelings? ? but rather let her conclusions rest with her. To argue would fuel the fire. In less than 10 minutes, RHCP?s intense emotions spanned every possibility you could imagine. Tears, anger, shouting, mumbling, laughing and devastated sobbing. Finally, rage turned to huge remorse and shame. It was at this point that RHCP began reflecting and said, ?I have no idea who ?I? was in there. This is not like me at all. I am SO ashamed.? More tears. Intense regret.

    For the next 15 minutes of the drive, RHCP began to share her experiences of her life that led up to this moment. It would be totally inappropriate to give details, we will leave that up to her. Suffice to say that there is a long history of abuse ? and a strong desire to do what is ?right?. CB and I could relate to her feelings of what appeared to be guilt.

    RHCP? Good for you for apologizing to the group. All in attendance deserved at least that. For some, it is very appropriate that you apologize on a personal, private, one ? on one manner.

    CB and I wish you a quick recovery from your pain ? but speaking from experience, be ready for a lot more emotion to surface! It is very important that you allow yourself to feel these emotions; painful as they are. I will also say that I don?t think you should do this alone. CB and I support the many other individuals on this board that have encouraged you to seek professional help. There are even some that specialize in the aid of JW?s in their recovery. (Lady Lee on this board). It isn?t easy to de program from all the falsehoods that we were taught.

    Princess, I am certain that every single person in that group felt for you, and sympathized with your embarrassment, and the manner in which you were singled out in an unwarranted attack. Every single one. And although not everyone in attendance had gone through what RHCP was experiencing ? I doubt a single person questioned the intensity with which she was feeling those emotions. What WE witnessed? was the beginning of what could be her recovery. The beginning of a healthier and more fulfilling life. (Of course, RHCP, it?s up to you to get to work on this goal and get the professional help you need.) On another level, all in attendance were witness to a remarkable humanitarian display of love, forgiveness, and empathy. They were referred to as ?hero?s? for the love they showed after being attacked. CB and I were proud to be part of that group.

    In a strange twist of viewpoint? today, CB and I celebrated our partial recovery and realized how far we have come. We are grateful for sharing that moment with you ? Red Hot Chili Pepper.

    Regards,

    NOdenial and CodeBlue

    (edited to make print smaller...........no need for such large fonts)

  • flower
    flower

    Nodenial..thanks for sharing more of what transpired. It helps give more of a perspective. (deleted) Since it was brought into the public board I think its important to publically help those who werent there to understand the situation more clearly..thanks for doing that.

    Redhot, as was mentioned previously, theres no shame in seeking assistance if you havent already done so. Youve nothing to lose and everything to gain. Life, for one.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    thanks cb and nd for posting this. i've bantered about with rhcp thru the boards and i really feel for her , if i'd known ( or paid attn) that she was going to the apostafest i'd have advised her not to go that girl has way too much going on in her life right now. i know thru a pm she feels terrible about what happened , as real as her feelings of regret are, i know the hurt feelings on the part of you affected at the get together are real as well.

    i feel for all of you and i sincerely hope that the gathering had many many more good moments than bad.

    hugs

    candy

  • Granny Linda
    Granny Linda

    WEll, guess ya'll just arent' "wordly" enough yet to understand that shit happens even to the "best" of us.

    Gawd, reading through this thread reminds me why I'm never going to any get togethers where someone might just get drunk and make an ass out of themselves and others in attendence can shout it out to the world...what an ass so and so was.

    I really don't care if Princess ever "forgives" Red for what reads like a very unfortunate situation...I would like Red to stick around here and find self forgiveness dispite how others might think/feel about what happened.

    Personally after years of being on these "recovery" forums...no one, self included, is above any of the emotional fallout from life in general. I'm happy as punch that some didn't experience what others have, but come on folks, what if it's YOU getting drunk and being obnoxious on the next go'round.

    Won't happen...I'm not that way....blahblahblah....good for you.

    Redhotchili....keep talking because not everyone will look at you as undignified...even if you were drunk and unruly.

    Granny, from one old obnoxious drunk to a new obnoxious drunk...not even those judging you are immune to "shit happens."

  • Princess
    Princess
    WEll, guess ya'll just arent' "wordly" enough yet to understand that shit happens even to the "best" of us.

    You know, I'm getting tired of the 2cents being offered by people who weren't in attendance. It was way more than "shit happens" or someone getting drunk and obnoxious. We've barely covered what she did and I don't care to elaborate so you all can form more opinions.

    Move on. There is nothing to see here. RHCP hasn't asked for my forgiveness she only apologized for being "an idiot". As I said, she was way beyond idiot.

    She never apologized to Ross at all.

    Some have obviously formed opinions about me without bothering to get to know me at all. That's fine. I won't waste any energy on that, it's something I can live with. Interesting how you are defending someone's actions that you've never met, but rather just think you know because you have read and believed her online persona.

  • Lostreality
    Lostreality

    Being in attendence at said gathering, I can honestly agree with Princess. However, it is something that should not (in my opinion) be open for public discussion. I request this thread be closed, and any loose ends between RHCP and others be confined to PMs. There is no need what so ever to continue with the discussion for either side of this. Its over and done with, the people involved must work it out directly between themselves, and the rest of us should stay the f*** out of it.

    My 2 cents.

  • kat2u
    kat2u

    Somebody needs to start a new thread with some great pics taken saturday nite!

    By the way My face can be seen online though Make sure they are good ones!

    Meaning None with mouth open. or other strange faces.

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