The WTBTS's proactive steps at preventing child molestation.

by formerout 140 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse

  • formerout
    formerout

    BroBennett, you made this comment in another post:

    Breeding pedophiles are more common in other religions since they are kept in circulation and not taken out of the religion. There are many disfellowshiped ones that are taken out of Jehovah's organization for a reason.

    Can you please let me know the basis for your comment mentioned above? What other religions are more common for breeding pedophiles? Why do you feel that is? What is your religion doing to prevent people from allowing pedophiles into your religion? What are you doing to remove them?

    I have heard stories where disfellowshipped pedophiles are allowed back in to your religion? Is that true? If so, does having them "taken out of Jehovah's organization" do any good if they are allowed back in after?

    I have seen television programs where pedophiles have admitted that they want to be prevented from being around kids because they know that they are a danger to the kids, but that they can't control their desires. Since these pedophiles admit this themselves, what is your organization doing to make sure that they are in fact prevented from endangering the children?

    Thanks in advance for your answers BroBennett. It would be good for all us to have our minds at ease, should we want to become involved in your religion.... at least for those who are not right now. A lot of us have kids and we care about their welfare greatly.

    By the way, BroBennett, do you have kids?

    Brad

  • formerout
    formerout

    I forgot to mention that this is not just directed to BroBennett. Anybody who has thoughts on their proactive approach in preventing it, feel free to make your comments.

    I guess, to be fair, any people that have evidence to the contrary of their proactive steps should be free to express their thoughts as well. I'll reserve my comments until a little later on.

    Brad

  • under74
    under74

    ummm...proactive approach? Are we speaking of two different Orgs? Evidence? Have you looked at the Silent Lambs website?....I'd say that's evidence enough. What has brownboy--I mean BroBennet been telling you?

  • formerout
    formerout

    under74,

    Is BroBennett another attempt at Brownboy to slide in as an objective poster? I am not aware that he is for certain. I am trying to take BroBennett's claims as being genuine. As much as we may dislike the WTBTS, I think all of us would be happy to see evidence of them doing more to prevent these heinous acts, in order to protect better the next generation.

    Brad

  • BroBennett
    BroBennett

    Someone who wishes to stay away from the mold of this wicked system would want a religion that openly exposes all wrongdoing to remain clean. I would prefer the subject to be the Bibles proactive steps at preventing child molestation. This is only one form of sexuality, there are many more that are just as important to stay away from. Since you want the Bible's viewpoint I will try to list many scriptural information for our viewers and debaters alike. Of course I will hardly see any scriptural information from the debaters since they would rather stay in the dark and or make fun of one religion thier whole life since it didn't work for them for reasons they alone know.

    If someone wants information about my religion then there are many volumes that he/she may go to, unlike the other "christian" religions of the world who claim to follow Christ Jesus. Since the topic maker wants info related to the Watchtower, I will show just a few paragraphs of information from a single June 15th 1988 Watchtower, the title is Detest Utterly the World's Disgracful Course.

    It says,

    :

    Christians see proof all around them that the immoral, debauched living of this world is harmful, deadly. (Romans 1:18-32) Just in the area of sexuality alone, think of the heartache and suffering that result when there is no respect for God?s law on morality: broken homes, illegitimate pregnancies, abortions, rape, child molestation, and sexually transmitted diseases, just to list a few things. Then there are the health problems that come when the body is abused by excessive eating and drinking, and the taking of drugs for the thrill of it. Giving way to greed often results in stealing and fraud. There is hardly any violation of God?s law that does not result in some physical or emotional harm to the transgressor. It is as the apostle Paul reminded Christians: "Do not be misled: God is not one to be mocked. For whatever a man is sowing, this he will also reap; because he who is sowing with a view to his flesh will reap corruption from his flesh, but he who is sowing with a view to the spirit will reap everlasting life from the spirit."?Galatians 6:7, 8.

    Here we can see plainly where this information comes from by looking up the scriptures. As every Christian should know, we are sinners and we have to pummel our bodies each day. A victum of child molestation wrote to me since I am a Jehovah's Witness and had many negative things to tell me about my religion. I was not posting about that topic, but was at a sports topic which has nothing to do with this form of sexuality filth. It is sad to know that this goes on but it is going on for a reason, just like the reason why we all sin and die.

    That same June 15th Watchtower says,

    Think for a moment about the world in which we find ourselves at the close of this 20th century. What an abundance of wickedness! As the apostle Paul foretold, men and women are "lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God." Indeed, ?wicked men and impostors advance from bad to worse, misleading and being misled.??2 Timothy 3:1, 4, 13.

    Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, and abortion?these and other words have become household expressions. Such things are freely and approvingly spoken about on radio and television and in religious and educational circles. Pornography is big business and readily available to all. Some of the most popular movies, stage plays, and television soap operas involve stories connected with immorality of some kind. How grateful we are to be no part of this! And how hard we need to fight to be sure that such insidious propaganda does not affect our hearts!

    Wise Christians heed Paul?s warning: "Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people . . . Keep on making sure of what is acceptable to the Lord . . . So keep strict watch that how you walk is not as unwise but as wise persons." Rather, Paul said, we should think about things that are true, righteous, chaste, lovable, and virtuous.?Ephesians 5:3-16; Philippians 4:8.

    If someone wants to know the proactive steps to prevent this sin from happening, they would have to live in a bubble and to stay away from all earthling man. To prevent a sin from happening you would want to at least associate with those who fill thier minds with good things. If anyone feels that a Jehovah's Witness only has uncleanness and that the religion is a "breeding ground for child molesters"... then they should stay away from them. But know that they are instructed by Jehovah every single week to obstain from every sort of badness.

    Here is the conclusion of that same Watchtower,

    As this world?s moral condition worsens, be firmly resolved to please Jehovah by doing what is clean, honorable, and right. Keep reaching out for the prize of life. Refuse to be sucked into this world?s "low sink of debauchery," which is a hole of death. You can win in the battle against debauched thinking if you detest utterly this world?s disgraceful course!

    Does the earth need proof that this moral condition is getting worse? I doubt that, but there are plenty of people pushing blame on the right hearted ones which further shows the need for a new world.

    I am aware of the Silent Lambs ploy to attack God's people, that way they take attention off from the serious matters at hand, worshiping Jehovah. The Bible shows that there will be ridiculers in the last days.. I do not have children, but I have had neices and nephews that have been kept safe from pedophiles. Only one child in another congregation has been put though this and the child has recieved much needed help at the accurance of this gross sin. The child molester was not a witness.

    I would of enjoyed talking about the self defence topic more so since that is more interesting than this filthy sin. I am going back there for a while after I look at more information from the internet about the sport and what is required for a person to play it.

  • formerout
    formerout

    BroBennett,

    With all due respect, there are too many differences of opinion as to which religion is God's chosen one. This discussion is not about that. After reading the first part of your post, I felt the need to remind you that this discussion is about what the WTBTS is doing to prevent child molestation.

    All here want to know what positive steps are being taken by your organization to follow along with your claims made in the other topic. Please keep to the question as it is asked. Thanks

    Brad

  • avishai
    avishai
    Only one child in another congregation has been put though this and the child has recieved much needed help at the accurance of this gross sin

    Prove it!! How the hell do you know only one kid in another cong. has been put thru this? It's not something everyone announces. Also, with the two witness rule, the elders almost still never report even with mandatory reporting, the two witness caveat allows them to dodge this.

  • candidlynuts
    candidlynuts

    bro bennet .. my experience as a 4th gen witness is all i can go on. there was a child molester that moved into our cong. the elders warned THEIR children never to be alone with this man but none of the other children or parents..this man gave talks, answered freely, went out in service freely. WITH CHILDREN .. which my child pioneered at 14. finally an elders daughter told her .

    another experience of mine.. a young girl i kept in summers was molested ( along with her sister and cousin) by a 19 yr old witness man from a good family. 5 yrs ago he was made an elder even though the whole family wrote letters reminding the body of elders of his past molestation charges.

    molesters are NOT removed from the Jehovah's witnesses.. if i myself know of TWO instances how many more instances are there out there? you would think that if the WTBS is working under Jehovah's blessing that idealy all molesters would be df'd and restricted from access to children . but its not happening. i'm sure the elders kids are well protected but the rank and file are on their own.

  • formerout
    formerout

    BroBennett, you said:

    Since you want the Bible's viewpoint I will try to list many scriptural information for our viewers and debaters alike.

    No I do not want the Bible's viewpoint. I never said I did. There are too many ways to interpret the very same texts. Please answer the questions as they are asked. The fact of the matter is that some people have a sickening, unnatural desire to do this sort of stuff to kids, much like other people get other diseases that are either cured or prevented from affecting other people. A lot of pedophiles even admit that they are happy that they are prevented from being around kids, since they have trouble controlling themselves. The topic is: The WTBTS' proactive steps at preventing child molestation." Please keep it on that.

    A quote you made from the Watchtower:

    Just in the area of sexuality alone, think of the heartache and suffering that result when there is no respect for God?s law on morality: broken homes, illegitimate pregnancies, abortions, rape, child molestation, and sexually transmitted diseases, just to list a few things.

    This is one of my points about the WTBTS. They include broken homes with child molestation and rape. I am speechless, to be honest about that one.

    Brad

  • Happy Guy :)
    Happy Guy :)

    I am aware of the Silent Lambs ploy to attack God's people, that way they take attention off from the serious matters at hand, worshiping Jehovah.

    ROFL

    followed by thoughts of:

    How sad for the JW children that the JW adults think this way.

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