No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's.

by Mulan 98 Replies latest jw friends

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  4JWY

  Just yesterday I was weeding through some of my late dad's things and finally threw away something - now I'm digging it out of the trash to review after seeing this thread topic.

  It was a typed copy of our city's municipal codes pertaining to soliciting that he had carried in his wallet for years in a little plastic protector. It was always handy to pull out and shove in someone's face when they called the cops for his being at their door. It would be the highlight of the day for him to put it to use. Persecution, right on!

  It showed the city's code for "Uninvited solicitation - Prohibited" and then had 3 big arrows he had drawn pointing downward to the next section which said, "EXCEPTION" - and it was this exception he delighted in reading to them:

  " The preceding section shall not be applicable to religious solicitors whose primary purpose is the giving, selling or distribution of religious literature when done as a part of the method of spreading the distributor's religious beliefs."

  Dang, this city really messed up on that one.
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  Undaunted Danny

  Undaunted Danny A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his
  flashlight around, looking for valuables, and when he
  picked up a CD player to place in his sack, a strange,
  disembodied voice echoed from the dark saying, "Jesus
  is watching you."
  He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his
  flashlight out, and froze. When he heard nothing more
  after a bit, he shook his head, promised himself a
  vacation after the next big score, then clicked the
  light on and began searching for more valuables.
  
  Just as he pulled the stereo out so he could
  disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he heard, "Jesus
  is watching you." Freaked out, he shone his light
  around frantically, looking for the source of the
  voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his
  flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot.
  
  "Did you say that?" He hissed at the parrot.
  
  "Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just
  trying to warn you."
  
  The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world
  are you?"
  
  "Moses," replied the bird.
  
  "Moses?" the burglar laughed. "What kind of people
  would name a bird Moses."
  
  "The kind of people that would name a rottweiler Jesus."
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  Gordy

  I don't know what is constituted "Trespass" in the USA.

  But here in England trepass is not a criminal offence. In such cases notices threatening prosecution for "ordinary" trespass are empty threats. Redress is through the Civil Courts.

  Trespass Defined

  Trespass is "interfering with another person or property"

  The act of being upon or entering land or premises without the right to be there.

  a) The innocent action of someone who is unwittingly on private land or premises without right to be there.

  b) The wilful action of someone who enters private land or premises or remains on private land or premises as an encroachment of the private rights of the owner or occupier of the land or premises.

  Then there is "Aggravated Trespass" which basically is when someone trespasses on land in open air to intimidate, obstruct or disrupt and activity that is being carried out on that land.

  Interestingly we had a JW who was a lawyer he said that if a person had a sign up saying "No trespassers" but they had a path,or driveway that led up to a main door, then that is what was called "an invitation to call" and as long as you stayed on that path/driveway you were not trespssing.
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  Undaunted Danny

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/79217/1.ashx Ongoing thread:No Trespassing by the Jehovah's Witnesses or their agents and operatives.
  
  
  
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  Undaunted Danny

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/file/AB0DFC76-92E3-4E38-9596-3938C3300A3A.ashx No Trespassing directive from the WT$ Ivory Tower.
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  Undaunted Danny

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  Undaunted Danny

  Law pleases ?No Soliciting? champ

  By BRYAN GILMER, Times Staff Writer
  St. Petersburg Times ONLINE, Tampa Bay, published June 22, 2002
  
  An anti-soliciting champion finds that an ordinance he
  pushed in Clearwater is backed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

  CLEARWATER -- Dave Campbell stands on the brown tile stoop of his
  Spanish-style house and points to the "No Soliciting" sign on his
  screen door.

  "That's a sign that works," he says.

  Since 1995, Campbell has been an evangelist for "No Soliciting"
  signs in his Grovewood subdivision, an aging but solidly
  middle-class suburban neighborhood.

  Bugged by repeated visits from Jehovah's Witnesses, Campbell
  pushed for the 1995 Clearwater ordinance that gives "No Soliciting"
  signs the force of law. Solicitors who knock anyway can be charged
  with a misdemeanor.

  So Campbell was especially pleased when he heard about Monday's
  U.S. Supreme Court ruling that said such ordinances offer
  "ample protection" of property owners' rights against the free-speech
  rights of door-to-door canvassers.

  In the same case, the court struck down as unconstitutional a small
  Ohio town's requirement that all canvassers register with the city
  before banging on doors.

  In the Tampa Bay area, Temple Terrace requires solicitors and
  canvassers to get a free permit, but it exempts people from
  organizations with a nonprofit tax status. Officials there are
  reviewing the ordinance in light of the Supreme Court decision.

  Other governments said the ruling changes nothing. Tampa and
  Hillsborough County have no door-to-door solicitation ordinance.
  Pasco County ordinances do not cover volunteer solicitors, but
  solicitors hired by charities need a permit.

  St. Petersburg's ordinance does not place restrictions on
  non-commercial solicitors; commercial solicitors need peddlers'
  permits.

  "We looked at it, and I don't think it's going to affect us,"
  St. Petersburg City Attorney John Wolfe said of Monday's ruling.

  For decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have been at the center of court
  cases that strike the balance between property owners' privacy and
  safety and the rights of people to spread their ideas door to door.

  They challenged the Ohio permit requirement all the way to the
  Supreme Court.

  Robert Mackey, overseer of Tampa for the church, said going to
  homes to seek new believers is central to the faith.

  He said the church does not oppose "No Soliciting" sign ordinances,
  and that its members respect the signs even where no city law backs
  them.

  "They usually just refrain from knocking," Mackey said. "When there
  is a sign saying 'No Jehovah's Witnesses,' we mark it down and it's
  incorporated into our information about the territory."

  Campbell, who is retired but declines to disclose his age, said the
  Jehovah's Witnesses who used to visit him were not as accommodating.

  "Every six weeks or every three weeks, they would unload a pack of
  Jehovah's Witnesses, good looking people in suits or whatever,"
  Campbell remembers. "Every time they would come, we'd tell them,
  'We don't like the intrusion, please mark us off your list.' But
  this went on and on and on again."

  After the Clearwater City Council passed the ordinance, Campbell
  bought a stack of "No Soliciting" signs and handed them out to his
  neighbors. He has a diagram of the neighborhood, labeled with each
  homeowner's phone number and whether they posted a sign. More than
  half of the homes put up a sign, he said.

  There was one more visit from Jehovah's Witnesses. Police charged
  one with violating the ordinance. The charge was dropped on a
  technicality, but Campbell says they haven't been back.

  In fact, with a "critical mass" of homes off limits, most solicitors
  find Grovewood so unproductive that they bypass it entirely, Campbell
  says.

  For the occasional stray doorbell ringer, Campbell has a whole spiel.

  "I say, 'Can you wait a minute?"' he says. "That catches them off
  guard. I go and get a couple copies of this," Clearwater Code of
  Ordinances Section 21.16.

  "One is for him, and one is for his boss," Campbell says with a grin.

  -- Times staff writers Tamara Lush and Matthew Waite contributed
  to this story.
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  Undaunted Danny

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/79786/1.ashx MORE!
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  Pubsinger

  
  Shouldn't the WT be telling everyone that this is exactly the same as the government telling them their work is banned? All those countries who want to ban their work should just put up no trespassing signs and the witnesses would just stop!!!!!

  They have a scriptural OBLIGATION to knock on those doors and if they have to pay a penalty then they should willingly do it.

  A No Trespassing sign doesn't mean the householder isn't in need of there message. They should accept anything the legal system metes out JOYFULLY, safe in the knowledge that they are doing Gods' Will

  All elders should set a lead in this.
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  inbyathread

  These four scriptures went on a recent postcard for those who didn't like being told to leave. This is the second time arguments started between publishers (pioneers) and householders. Tsk Tsk

  James 1:2-3 Consider it all joy, my brothers, when YOU meet with various trials, 3 knowing as YOU do that this tested quality of YOUR faith works out endurance.

  Matt 5:12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.

  Acts 5:41 These, therefore, went their way from before the San´he·drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name.

  1 Peter 4:14 If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy, because the [spirit] of glory, even the spirit of God, is resting upon YOU.