No Trespassing!! Breaking news for local JW's.

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  • 4JWY

    Just yesterday I was weeding through some of my late dad's things and finally threw away something - now I'm digging it out of the trash to review after seeing this thread topic.

    It was a typed copy of our city's municipal codes pertaining to soliciting that he had carried in his wallet for years in a little plastic protector. It was always handy to pull out and shove in someone's face when they called the cops for his being at their door. It would be the highlight of the day for him to put it to use. Persecution, right on!

    It showed the city's code for "Uninvited solicitation - Prohibited" and then had 3 big arrows he had drawn pointing downward to the next section which said, "EXCEPTION" - and it was this exception he delighted in reading to them:

    " The preceding section shall not be applicable to religious solicitors whose primary purpose is the giving, selling or distribution of religious literature when done as a part of the method of spreading the distributor's religious beliefs."

    Dang, this city really messed up on that one.

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Undaunted Danny A burglar broke into a house one night. He shined his
    flashlight around, looking for valuables, and when he
    picked up a CD player to place in his sack, a strange,
    disembodied voice echoed from the dark saying, "Jesus
    is watching you."
    He nearly jumped out of his skin, clicked his
    flashlight out, and froze. When he heard nothing more
    after a bit, he shook his head, promised himself a
    vacation after the next big score, then clicked the
    light on and began searching for more valuables.

    Just as he pulled the stereo out so he could
    disconnect the wires, clear as a bell he heard, "Jesus
    is watching you." Freaked out, he shone his light
    around frantically, looking for the source of the
    voice. Finally, in the corner of the room, his
    flashlight beam came to rest on a parrot.

    "Did you say that?" He hissed at the parrot.

    "Yep," the parrot confessed, then squawked, "I'm just
    trying to warn you."

    The burglar relaxed. "Warn me, huh? Who in the world
    are you?"

    "Moses," replied the bird.

    "Moses?" the burglar laughed. "What kind of people
    would name a bird Moses."

    "The kind of people that would name a rottweiler Jesus." Dog 9 Parrot 3

  • Gordy

    I don't know what is constituted "Trespass" in the USA.

    But here in England trepass is not a criminal offence. In such cases notices threatening prosecution for "ordinary" trespass are empty threats. Redress is through the Civil Courts.

    Trespass Defined

    Trespass is "interfering with another person or property"

    The act of being upon or entering land or premises without the right to be there.

    a) The innocent action of someone who is unwittingly on private land or premises without right to be there.

    b) The wilful action of someone who enters private land or premises or remains on private land or premises as an encroachment of the private rights of the owner or occupier of the land or premises.

    Then there is "Aggravated Trespass" which basically is when someone trespasses on land in open air to intimidate, obstruct or disrupt and activity that is being carried out on that land.

    Interestingly we had a JW who was a lawyer he said that if a person had a sign up saying "No trespassers" but they had a path,or driveway that led up to a main door, then that is what was called "an invitation to call" and as long as you stayed on that path/driveway you were not trespssing.

  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    No Ongoing thread:No Trespassing by the Jehovah's Witnesses or their agents and operatives. Danger

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    Undaunted Danny


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  • Undaunted Danny
    Undaunted Danny

    Law pleases ?No Soliciting? champ

    By BRYAN GILMER, Times Staff Writer
    St. Petersburg Times ONLINE, Tampa Bay, published June 22, 2002

    An anti-soliciting champion finds that an ordinance he
    pushed in Clearwater is backed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

    CLEARWATER -- Dave Campbell stands on the brown tile stoop of his
    Spanish-style house and points to the "No Soliciting" sign on his
    screen door.

    "That's a sign that works," he says.

    Since 1995, Campbell has been an evangelist for "No Soliciting"
    signs in his Grovewood subdivision, an aging but solidly
    middle-class suburban neighborhood.

    Bugged by repeated visits from Jehovah's Witnesses, Campbell
    pushed for the 1995 Clearwater ordinance that gives "No Soliciting"
    signs the force of law. Solicitors who knock anyway can be charged
    with a misdemeanor.

    So Campbell was especially pleased when he heard about Monday's
    U.S. Supreme Court ruling that said such ordinances offer
    "ample protection" of property owners' rights against the free-speech
    rights of door-to-door canvassers.

    In the same case, the court struck down as unconstitutional a small
    Ohio town's requirement that all canvassers register with the city
    before banging on doors.

    In the Tampa Bay area, Temple Terrace requires solicitors and
    canvassers to get a free permit, but it exempts people from
    organizations with a nonprofit tax status. Officials there are
    reviewing the ordinance in light of the Supreme Court decision.

    Other governments said the ruling changes nothing. Tampa and
    Hillsborough County have no door-to-door solicitation ordinance.
    Pasco County ordinances do not cover volunteer solicitors, but
    solicitors hired by charities need a permit.

    St. Petersburg's ordinance does not place restrictions on
    non-commercial solicitors; commercial solicitors need peddlers'

    "We looked at it, and I don't think it's going to affect us,"
    St. Petersburg City Attorney John Wolfe said of Monday's ruling.

    For decades, Jehovah's Witnesses have been at the center of court
    cases that strike the balance between property owners' privacy and
    safety and the rights of people to spread their ideas door to door.

    They challenged the Ohio permit requirement all the way to the
    Supreme Court.

    Robert Mackey, overseer of Tampa for the church, said going to
    homes to seek new believers is central to the faith.

    He said the church does not oppose "No Soliciting" sign ordinances,
    and that its members respect the signs even where no city law backs

    "They usually just refrain from knocking," Mackey said. "When there
    is a sign saying 'No Jehovah's Witnesses,' we mark it down and it's
    incorporated into our information about the territory."

    Campbell, who is retired but declines to disclose his age, said the
    Jehovah's Witnesses who used to visit him were not as accommodating.

    "Every six weeks or every three weeks, they would unload a pack of
    Jehovah's Witnesses, good looking people in suits or whatever,"
    Campbell remembers. "Every time they would come, we'd tell them,
    'We don't like the intrusion, please mark us off your list.' But
    this went on and on and on again."

    After the Clearwater City Council passed the ordinance, Campbell
    bought a stack of "No Soliciting" signs and handed them out to his
    neighbors. He has a diagram of the neighborhood, labeled with each
    homeowner's phone number and whether they posted a sign. More than
    half of the homes put up a sign, he said.

    There was one more visit from Jehovah's Witnesses. Police charged
    one with violating the ordinance. The charge was dropped on a
    technicality, but Campbell says they haven't been back.

    In fact, with a "critical mass" of homes off limits, most solicitors
    find Grovewood so unproductive that they bypass it entirely, Campbell

    For the occasional stray doorbell ringer, Campbell has a whole spiel.

    "I say, 'Can you wait a minute?"' he says. "That catches them off
    guard. I go and get a couple copies of this," Clearwater Code of
    Ordinances Section 21.16.

    "One is for him, and one is for his boss," Campbell says with a grin.

    -- Times staff writers Tamara Lush and Matthew Waite contributed
    to this story.
  • Undaunted Danny
  • Pubsinger

    Shouldn't the WT be telling everyone that this is exactly the same as the government telling them their work is banned? All those countries who want to ban their work should just put up no trespassing signs and the witnesses would just stop!!!!!

    They have a scriptural OBLIGATION to knock on those doors and if they have to pay a penalty then they should willingly do it.

    A No Trespassing sign doesn't mean the householder isn't in need of there message. They should accept anything the legal system metes out JOYFULLY, safe in the knowledge that they are doing Gods' Will

    All elders should set a lead in this.

  • inbyathread

    These four scriptures went on a recent postcard for those who didn't like being told to leave. This is the second time arguments started between publishers (pioneers) and householders. Tsk Tsk

    James 1:2-3 Consider it all joy, my brothers, when YOU meet with various trials, 3 knowing as YOU do that this tested quality of YOUR faith works out endurance.

    Matt 5:12 Rejoice and leap for joy, since YOUR reward is great in the heavens; for in that way they persecuted the prophets prior to YOU.

    Acts 5:41 These, therefore, went their way from before the San´he·drin, rejoicing because they had been counted worthy to be dishonored in behalf of his name.

    1 Peter 4:14 If YOU are being reproached for the name of Christ, YOU are happy, because the [spirit] of glory, even the spirit of God, is resting upon YOU.

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