Realist,
Decided to carry our debate out of the thread it was in if that's ok.
Here's an INTERESTING article by George Will...take a read and let me know what you think.
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/columnists/8464596.htm
Realist, On Israel
by Yerusalyim 95 Replies latest social current
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Richie
On a planet with an estimated 6 billion people, Jews represent slightly less than 1/4 of 1% of the world population.
If Jews were wildlife, they would probably be considered a near extinct species meriting special protection. That's how small their numbers are.
For those who don't want to do the math: 1/4 of 1% of 6,000,000,000 represents slightly more than 13,000,000.
There are about 5 million Jews who live in Israel, 6 million in North America, 1.5 million in all of Europe including the former Soviet Union, one half of one million in South and Central America, and a smattering elsewhere.
To read, hear and see the news, day in and day out, you'd think Jews were everywhere with a massive population, when in fact, Jews are congregated in just a few major city centers around the world. Mostly in North America.
So why all the fuss and all the media about Israel?
Do the do-nothing do-gooders who are amongst the first to demonize Israel, seem not to be aware of the fact, or realize that Black Africans are murdering, raping, maiming and starving other Black Africans by the millions everyday?
These same holier-than-thou Lefties, also seem not to know that the Arab Moslem Sudanese are murdering, raping and plundering Black Christian Sudanese everyday as well.
What about the enormous crimes perpetrated by the Chinese government against the Tibetan people? Now we're talking population.
How about the occupation of the Lebanese people by Syria?
How can 5 million people (Israelis) living on a spit of land with no natural resources to speak of, surrounded by a sea of more than 300 million Islamic Arab antagonists garner so much attention?
Does anyone on this planet give a damn about the misogyny of the Islamic world, specifically in countries like Saudi Arabia where women have no rights?
In the 21st century, there are whole nations which practice slavery, most of them are Arab and African. So, where's the outrage?
In African and Asian countries, whole species are being slaughtered into extinction with hardly a peep from the Green Peacers.
In China and other "developing" Asian countries, animals are routinely tortured in their preparation for meat, yet the animal rights groups are virtually silent. Just as they're silent on the use of wild animal parts for "medicinal" and "aphrodisiac" purposes.
In Spain and Mexico, Bull Baiting is a national sport. And in many "developing" countries, animal fights are great entertainment.
I'm not aware of protests and demonstrations in or outside of these countries against their brutality towards animals.
There is enormous child abuse in South American countries, where "feral-like" street children are literally hunted down as if they're vermin. Where's the international and human-rights outrage? Where?s Unicef?
And what about the forced (bought and sold) child prostitutes in many Asian countries like Thailand? The do-nothing do-gooders are silent.
Palestinian mothers and fathers are proud of their children who commit suicide in the act of murdering Jewish children. Where's the outrage against parents who encourage their children to murder and die in the process?
The world is a pretty big place where there are no shortage of outrages, where fauna, flora and humanity are in deep trouble, but for some reason, it's always all about the Jews and Israel.
What's fascinating, is that Israel is not guilty of any of the aforementioned offences against the planet and humanity. Yet, to hear the do-gooders and the media, Israel seems to be the most evil place on earth.
I am utterly convinced, that as long as there is just one Jew left standing on this planet, he or she will be held responsible for everything that goes wrong.
The last Jew standing will still be accused of being the founder of Communism, or the founder of Capitalism, or the founder of Democracy, or the controller of the world banking establishments, or the controller of the world media, just as the outgoing leader of Malaysia recently stated to a standing ovation of Islam's world leaders.
Whatever the circumstance; there will be no shortage of people willing to blame the last Jew for everything.
And if I'm wrong:
Why then is it always about Jews and Israel, a people and a country whose only crime is trying to survive as best they can?Richie :*)
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Richie
The Israel/Palestine canard boils down to people. People are sacrosanct, not land, history, the tribe, religion, international opinion or any other bogus smokescreen the Arab apologists can get the limp-minded international community to buy.
The problem in Palestine and indeed in the Middle East, generally is crime against people. Palestine needs to get tough on crime and enforcement of tolerance and plurality. Period.
Once it gets decency and tolerance in order, it can start lecturing others, including its lawful, democratic neighbour, about how to move forward in peace-making.
The reason the Palestinian leadership (read Arab leadership) does not want to control crime, especially crime perpetrated against Israelis and moderate Palestinians, is because it would turn the focus inward, exposing the level of Arab, Islamist hatred of others and, indeed, itself.
As long as these despotic Arab leaders can get the lame-minded in the world to focus on Israel (a civil, democratic, plural society) the focus will not be on the failed, despotic policies of these corrupt Arab regimes and the sure fact that, at this time in history, a major religion is at war with itself.
On April 14, 2004, President George W Bush, standing beside Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (at the White House) took what I believe may be a decisive step yet to bringing peace to Israel.
Instead of pretending that the Palestinians are represented by an equivalent set of moral, legal, governmental, infra structural, and democratic standards as Israel, Bush simply stated the obvious.
Israel has a right to exist in peace and security, and to protect itself. The "settlements" which are facts on the ground and part of Israel proper will remain Israeli. The Security Barrier (Wall) is acceptable as a security barrier. And there will be no Right Of Return for millions of Palestinians to swamp Israel.
In effect; Bush gave Israel what Israel offered Arafat at Camp David in 2000: the deal Arafat walked away from.
No matter how hard you try to create equivalence, it is impossible to do so where none exists. Yet, for the past 50 years, and certainly since the Jimmy Carter days, the world created the illusion that the Palestinian people could negotiate as equals with Israel.
This delusion of equivalence was the bedrock catalyst for the murder, maiming and suffering for tens of thousands of Israelis, and far more Palestinians. Had the world addressed the players as they really were (and really are), a peace deal or real security could have been achieved a long time ago.
Bush is the first world leader to see the problem for what it is. He has cut through the politically correct garbage, and has set in motion an entirely new dynamic for the Palestinian conflict.
Israel no longer has to negotiate with a pretend government incapable of bringing lasting peace to the area. Israel no longer has to negotiate with Palestinian leaders sworn to Israel's destruction. All Israel has to do is protect itself and go about its affairs like any normal country.
And for the first time, the Palestinian people have to face reality. No more games. No more pretend. And no more equivalence where it doesn't exist.
This is good news for everyone.Richie :*)
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Yerusalyim
Ahh, like minded people. Cool!
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Realist
hello yeru,
well i forced myself through this article...not exactly a well balanced piece as you probably know.
as you know imo the original sin methaphorically speaking lies with the israelis. occupying a land by using force and terror must not be allowed to be successful. as you also know occupying land was the official reason for WWII. so obviously there is quite a double standard.
furthermore it is a myth that israels borders and survival is threatened by the arab neighbors. all the arabs together would not have the slightest chance against the israeli forces. this is barfoot idiots fighting against a high tech army (that in case of emergency would get US support also).
if israel would apologize for what happened in the past, compensate the arabs (to the degree the jews demanded to be compensated by germany) and give the palestinians their own state than i think the arabs would have no right to further propagate hate against israel.
Richie,
if the jews would be as peaceful, naive and harmless as the jews organizations like to portray themselfs than indeed the world would care little about them. however if you look at history you will see that jews always played leading roles. as one nice example i want to remind you of the clinton administration which consisted of nearly 50% jewish members.
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Yerusalyim
Realist,
One has a "right" to propogate hatred and genocide?
First and foremost, Israel is a legal entity created by the UN...with as much right to the land as any of the Arab immigrants.
Second...compensation? It was offered, just show proof of ownership. For the first 50 years of it's existence, it was written into their law...are any of the Arab countries that threw out 750,000 Jews in the last 56 years offering any compensation to the Jews?
Here's the most ridiculous part of your whole position.
furthermore it is a myth that israels borders and survival is threatened by the arab neighbors. all the arabs together would not have the slightest chance against the israeli forces. this is barfoot idiots fighting against a high tech army (that in case of emergency would get US support also).
Really? From the very first day of it's existence Israel was attacked by five armies with superior numbers and arms. From 1949 until 1967 the Arab countries occuppying (illegally by the way) the West Bank and Gaza (and the Golan Heights) used that territory to launch terror attacks into israel. Further, Three times since then the Arabs have tried to destroy Israel. Finally, and most importantly, Israel has the RIGHT to live in peace...from 1949 (not 67, but 49) on, the Arabs have killed Jews using the West Bank and Gaza as bases. Israel is legally holding the land...which technically, still is under mandate authority of the UN.
Such a nice guy calling Arabs barefoot idiots...falsely demeaning them doesn't make the attacks of Hamas and Al Aqsa less violent.
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Realist
yeru,
i have no intention to go over this again and again and again.
if you and the state of israel refuses to see the injustice they have commited prior to 1949 (with or without UN approval) and after that than thats yours and their choice. and they will have to live with the consequences for the next decades.
Really? From the very first day of it's existence Israel was attacked by five armies with superior numbers and arms. From 1949 until 1967 the Arab countries occuppying (illegally by the way) the West Bank and Gaza (and the Golan Heights) used that territory to launch terror attacks into israel. Further, Three times since then the Arabs have tried to destroy Israel. Finally, and most importantly, Israel has the RIGHT to live in peace...from 1949 (not 67, but 49) on, the Arabs have killed Jews using the West Bank and Gaza as bases. Israel is legally holding the land...which technically, still is under mandate authority of the UN.
i was referring to the myth that israel cannot defend its borders against the arabs - that there is a threat of getting overrun by muslim armies. that story is rediculous. as you stated yourself...the arabs were not able to win a single square foot of israeli territory and were without a chance in the various conflicts (with the exception of the beginning of the yom kippur war).
and yes i believe the arabs are due to traditions, education and equipment are completely inferior to the jews.
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Richie
Realist,
You just made your point - you said that Jews had played leading roles (like major drug lords, antagonists, murderers, infamous individuals, cheaters, thiefs, hypocrites, warmongers?...) or do you mean that Jews have mastered their survival and made sure that they would get an education and climbed to the top in many instances. Now..., is this wrong???? Or should they wallow in self pity and let all kinds of people walk over them for centuries because they want to keep their culture alive? Just read my last post (and again) as you do not understand what we are talking about. Look, you said that 50% of the Clinton administration were Jewish SO WHAT??????? What's your point??? Sure, they are smart, is it wrong to be smart? or is it because you are jealous and might have a deep rooted (although most will deny that) hatred for anything that is Jewish? Well, that may be closer to the truth - the majority of people on the earth have an ingrained hatred for anything that is Jewish. Again, most will deny it of course, but it is a fact and that is why the Jews are being persecuted for centuries on end.
I will post an excerpt on Jewish history and the contents speaks for itself:
"The last Jews who wanted to leave Syria departed with the chief rabbi in October 1994. Prior to 1947, there were some 30,000 Jews made up of three distinct communities, each with its own traditions: the Kurdish-speaking Jews of Kamishli, the Jews of Aleppo with roots in Spain, and the original eastern Jews of Damascus, called Must'arab. Today only a tiny remnant of these communities remains.
The Jewish presence in Syria dates back to biblical times and is intertwined with the history of Jews in neighboring Eretz Israel. With the advent of Christianity, restrictions were imposed on the community. The Arab conquest in 636 A.D, however, greatly improved the lot of the Jews. Unrest in neighboring Iraq in the 10th century resulted in Jewish migration to Syria and brought about a boom in commerce, banking, and crafts. During the reign of the Fatimids, the Jew Menashe Ibrahim El-Kazzaz ran the Syrian administration, and he granted Jews positions in the government.
Syrian Jewry supported the aspirations of the Arab nationalists and Zionism, and Syrian Jews believed that the two parties could be reconciled and that the conflict in Palestine could be resolved. However, following Syrian independence from France in 1946, attacks against Jews and their property increased, culminating in the pogroms of 1947, which left all shops and synagogues in Aleppo in ruins. Thousands of Jews fled the country, and their homes and property were taken over by the local Muslims.
For the next decades, Syrian Jews were, in effect, hostages of a hostile regime. They could leave Syria only on the condition that they leave members of their family behind. Thus the community lived under siege, constantly under fearful surveillance of the secret police. This much was allowed due to an international effort to secure the human rights of the Jews, the changing world order, and the Syrian need for Western support; so the conditions of the Jews improved somewhat.THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN EGYPT PRIOR TO 1948
Jews have lived in Egypt since Biblical times, and the conditions of the community have constantly fluctuated with the political situation of the land. Israelite tribes first moved to the Land of Goshen (the northeastern edge of the Nile Delta) during the reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Amenhotep IV (1375-1358 B.C).
During the reign of Ramses II (1298-1232 B.C), they were enslaved for the Pharaoh's building projects. His successor, Merneptah, continued the same anti-Jewish policies, and around the year 1220 B.C, the Jews revolted and escaped across the Sinai to Canaan. This is the biblical Exodus commemorated in the holiday of Passover. Over the years, many Jews in Eretz Israel who were not deported to Babylon sought shelter in Egypt, among them the prophet Jeremiah. By 1897 there were more than 25,000 Jews in Egypt, concentrated in Cairo and Alexandria. In 1937 the population reached a peak of 63,500.
Friedman wrote in "The Myth of Arab Tolerance", "One Caliph, Al-Hakem of the Fatimids devised particularly insidious humiliations for the Jews in his attempt to perform what he deemed his role as "Redeemer of Mankind". First the Jews were forced to wear miniature golden calf images around their necks, as though they still worshipped the golden calf, but the Jews refused to convert. Next they wore bells, and after that six pound wooden blocks were hung around their necks. In fury at his failure, the Caliph had the Cairo Jewish quarter destroyed, along with it's Jewish residence, in".
In 1945, with the rise of Egyptian nationalism and the cultivation of anti-Western and anti-Jewish sentiment, riots erupted. In the violence, 10 Jews were killed, 350 injured, and a synagogue, a Jewish hospital, and an old-age home were burned down. The establishment of the State of Israel led to still further anti-Jewish feeling: Between June and November 1948, bombs set off in the Jewish Quarter killed more than 70 Jews and wounded nearly 200. 2,000 Jews were arrested and many had their property confiscated.Rioting over the next few months resulted in many more Jewish deaths. Between June and November 1948, bombs set off in the Jewish Quarter killed more than 70 Jews and wounded nearly 200.
Jews In 1956: The Egyptian government used the Sinai Campaign as a pretext for expelling almost 25,000 Egyptian Jews and confiscating their property.
Approximately 1,000 more Jews were sent to prisons and detention camps. On November 23, 1956, a proclamation signed by the Minister of Religious Affairs, and read aloud in mosques throughout Egypt, declared that "all Jews are Zionists and enemies of the state," and promised that they would be soon expelled.
Thousands of Jews were ordered to leave the country. They were allowed to take only one suitcase and a small sum of cash, and forced to sign declarations "donating" their property to the Egyptian government. Foreign observers reported that members of Jewish families were taken hostage, apparently to insure that those forced to leave did not speak out against the Egyptian government. AP, (November 26 and 29th 1956; New York World Telegram).
In 1979, the Egyptian Jewish community became the first in the Arab world to establish official contact with Israel. Israel now has an embassy in Cairo and a consulate general in Alexandria. At present, the few remaining Jews are free to practice Judaism without any restrictions or harassment. Shaar Hashamayim is the only functioning synagogue in Cairo. Of the many synagogues in Alexandria only the Eliahu Hanabi is open for worship.By 1957 it had fallen to 15,000. In 1967, after the Six-Day War, there was a renewed wave of persecution, and the community dropped to 2,500. By the 1970s, after the remaining Jews were given permission to leave the country, the community dwindled to a few families. Jewish rights were finally restored in 1979 after President Anwar Sadat signed the Camp David Accords with Israel. Only then was the community allowed to establish ties with Israel and with world Jewry. The majority of Jews reside in Cairo, but there are still a handful in Alexandria. In addition there are about 15 Karaites in the community. Nearly all the Jews are elderly, and the community is on the verge of extinction.
THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN IRAQ PRIOR TO 1948
The Iraqi Jews took pride in their distinguished Jewish community, with it's history of scholarship and dignity. Jews had prospered in what was then Babylonia for 1200 years before the Muslim conquest in AD 634; it was not until the 9th century that Dhimmi laws such as the yellow patch, heavy head tax, and residence restriction were enforced. Capricious and extreme oppression under some Arab caliphs and Momlukes brought taxation amounting to expropriation in AD 1000, and 1333 the persecution culminated in pillage and destruction of the Bagdad Sanctuary. In 1776, there was a slaughter of Jews at Bosra, and in bitterness of anti-Jewish measures taken by Turkish Muslim rulers in the 18th century caused many Jews to flee. The Iraqi Jewish community is one of the oldest in the world and has a great history of learning and scholarship. Abraham, the father of the Jewish people, was born in Ur of the Chaldees, in southern Iraq, around 2,000 A.D.
The community traces its history back to 6th century A.D, when Nebuchadnezzar conquered Judea and sent most of the population into exile in Babylonia.
The community also maintained strong ties with the Land of Israel and, with the aid of rabbis from Israel, succeeded in establishing many prominent rabbinical academies. By the 3rd century, Babylonia became the center of Jewish scholarship, as is attested to by the community's most influential creation, the Babylonian Talmud. Under Muslim rule, beginning in the 7th century, the situation of the community fluctuated. Many Jews held high positions in government or prospered in commerce and trade. At the same time, Jews were subjected to special taxes, restrictions on their professional activity, and anti-Jewish incitement among the masses. Under British rule, which began in 1917, Jews fared well economically, and many were elected to government posts. This traditionally observant community was also allowed to found Zionist organizations and to pursue Hebrew studies.All of this progress ended when Iraq gained independence in 1932. In June 1941, the Mufti-inspired, pro-Nazi coup of Rashid Ali sparked rioting and a pogrom in Baghdad. Armed Iraqi mobs, with the complicity of the police and the army, murdered 180 Jews and wounded almost 1,000.
Although emigration was prohibited, many Jews made their way to Israel during this period with the aid of an underground movement. In 1950 the Iraqi parliament finally legalized emigration to Israel, and between May 1950 and August 1951, the Jewish Agency and the Israeli government succeeded in airlifting approximately 110,000 Jews to Israel in Operations Ezra and Nehemiah. This figure includes 18,000 Kurdish Jews, who have many distinct traditions. Thus a community that had reached a peak of 150,000 in 1947 dwindled to a mere 6,000 after 1951.
Additional outbreaks of anti-Jewish rioting occurred between 1946-49. After the establishment of Israel in 1948, Zionism became a capital crime.THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN IRAQ AFTER 1948
In 1950, Iraqi Jews were permitted to leave the country within a year provided they forfeited their citizenship. A year later, however, the property of Jews who emigrated was frozen and economic restrictions were placed on Jews who chose to remain in the country. From 1949 to 1951, 104,000 Jews were evacuated from Iraq in Operations Ezra and Nehemiah; another 20,000 were smuggled out through Iran. In 1952, Iraq's government barred Jews from emigrating and publicly hanged two Jews after falsely charging them with hurling a bomb at the Baghdad office of the U.S. Information Agency.
With the rise of competing Ba'ath factions in 1963, additional restrictions were placed on the remaining Iraqi Jews. The sale of property was forbidden and all Jews were forced to carry yellow identity cards. After the Six-Day War, more repressive measures were imposed: Jewish property was expropriated; Jewish bank accounts were frozen; Jews were dismissed from public posts; businesses were shut; trading permits were cancelled; telephones were disconnected. Jews were placed under house arrest for long periods of time or restricted to the cities.
Persecution was at its worst at the end of 1968. Scores were jailed upon the discovery of a local "spy ring" composed of Jewish businessmen. Fourteen men-eleven of them Jews-were sentenced to death in staged trials and hanged in the public squares of Baghdad; others died of torture. On January 27, 1969, Baghdad Radio called upon Iraqis to "come and enjoy the feast." Some 500,000 men, women and children paraded and danced past the scaffolds where the bodies of the hanged Jews swung; the mob rhythmically chanted "Death to Israel" and "Death to all traitors." This display brought a world-wide public outcry that Radio Baghdad dismissed by declaring: "We hanged spies, but the Jews crucified Christ." (Judith Miller and Laurie Mylroie, Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf, p. 34).Jews remained under constant surveillance by the Iraqi government. Max Sawadayee, in "All Waiting to be Hanged" writes a testimony of an Iraqi Jew (who later escaped): "The dehumanization of the Jewish personality resulting from continuous humiliation and torment...have dragged us down to the lowest level of our physical and mental faculties, and deprived us of the power to recover.".
In response to international pressure, the Baghdad government quietly allowed most of the remaining Jews to emigrate in the early 1970's, even while leaving other restrictions in force. Most of Iraq's remaining Jews are now too old to leave. They have been pressured by the government to turn over title, without compensation, to more than $200 million worth of Jewish community property. (New York Times, February 18, 1973).
Only one synagogue continues to function in Iraq, "a crumbling buff-colored building tucked away in an alleyway" in Baghdad. According to the synagogue's administrator, "there are few children to be bar-mitzvahed, or couples to be married. Jews can practice their religion but are not allowed to hold jobs in state enterprises or join the army." (New York Times Magazine, February 3, 1985).
In 1991, prior to the Gulf War, the State Department said "there is no recent evidence of overt persecution of Jews, but the regime restricts travel, (particularly to Israel) and contacts with Jewish groups abroad.".
Persecutions continued, especially after the Six-Day War in 1967, when many of the remaining 3,000 Jews were arrested and dismissed from their jobs.
Finally in Iraq all the Jews were forced to leave between 1948 and 1952 and leave everything behind. Jews were publicly hanged in the center of Baghdad with enthusiastic mobs as audiences.The Jews were persecuted throughout the centuries in all the Arabic speaking countries. One time, Baghdad was one-fifth Jewish and other communities had first been established 2,500 years ago. Today, approximately 61 Jews are left in Baghdad and another 200 or so are in Kurdish areas in the north. Only one synagogue remains in Bataween, - once Baghdad's main Jewish neighborhood.-
The rabbi died in 1996 and none of the remaining Jews can perform the liturgy and only a couple know Hebrew. (Associated Press, March 28, 1998).THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN ALGERIA PRIOR TO 1948
Jewish settlement in present-day Algeria can be traced back to the first centuries of the Common Era. In the 14th century, with the deterioration of conditions in Spain, many Spanish Jews moved to Algeria. Among them were a number of outstanding scholars, including the Ribash and the Rashbatz.
After the French occupation of the country in 1830, Jews gradually adopted French culture and were granted French citizenship.
On the eve of the civil war that gripped the country in the late 1950s, there were some 130,000 Jews in Algeria, approximately 30,000 of whom lived in the capital. Nearly all Algerian Jews fled the country shortly after it gained independence from France in 1962. Most of the remaining Jews live in Algiers, but there are individual Jews in Oran and Blida. A single synagogue functions in Algiers, although there is no resident rabbi. All other synagogues have been taken over for use as mosques.In 1934, a Nazi-incited pogrom in Constantine left 25 Jews dead and scores injured. After being granted independence in 1962, the Algerian government harassed the Jewish community and deprived Jews of their principle economic rights. As a result, almost 130,000 Algerian Jews immigrated to France. Since 1948, 25,681 Algerian Jews have emigrated to Israel.
THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN YEMEN PRIOR TO 1948
In Yemen from the seventh century on the Jewish populations suffered the severest possible interpretation of the Charter of Omar. For about 4 centuries, the Jews suffered under the fierce fanatical edict of the most intolerant Islamic sects. The Yemen Epistle by Rambam in which he commiserated with Yemen's Jewry and besought them to keep the faith, and in 1724 fanatical rulers ordered synagogues destroyed, and Jewish public prayers were forbidden. The Jews were exiled, many died from starvation and the survivors were ordered to settle in Mausa, but later, this order was annulled by a decree in 1781 due to the need of their skilled craftsmen. Jacob Sappir a Jerusalem writer describes Yemeni Jews in Yemen in 1886: "The Arab natives have always considered the Jew unclean, but his blood for them was not considered unclean. They lay claims to all his belongings, and if he is unwilling, they employ force...The Jews live outside the town in dark dwellings like prison cells or caves out of
fear...for the least offense, he is sentenced to outrageous fines, which he is quite unable to pay. In case of non-payment, he is put in chains and cruelly beaten every day. Before the punishment is inflicted, the Cadi[judge] addresses him in gentle tones and urges him to change his faith and obtain a share of all the glory of this world and of the world beyond. His refusal is again regarded as penal obstinacy. On the other hand, it is not open to the Jew to prosecute a Muslim, as the Muslim by right of law can dispose of the life and the property of the Jew, and it is only to be regarded as an act of magnanimity if the Jews are allowed to live. The Jew is not admissible as a witness, nor has his oath any validity.".
Danish-German explorer Garsten Neibuhr visited Yemen in 1762 described Jewish life in Yemen: "By day they work in their shops in San'a, but by night they must withdraw to their isolated dwellings, shortly before my arrival, 12 of the 14 synagogues of the Jews were torn down, and all their beautiful houses wrecked".
The Jews did not improve until the establishment of the French Protectorate in 1912, when they were given equality and religious autonomy. However, during World War II, when France was ruled by the anti-Semitic Vichy government, King Muhammed V prevented the deportation of Jews from Morocco. In 1922, the government of Yemen reintroduced an ancient Islamic law that decreed that Jewish orphans under age 12 were to be forcibly converted to Islam.
In 1947, after the partition vote, Muslim rioters, joined by the local police force, engaged in a bloody pogrom in Aden that killed 82 Jews and destroyed hundreds of Jewish homes. Aden's Jewish community was economically paralyzed, as most of the Jewish stores and businesses were destroyed. Early in 1948, looting occurred after six Jews were falsely accused of the ritual murder of two Arab girls. (Howard Sachar, A History of Israel). By 1948 there were some 270,000 Jews in Morocco. In an atmosphere of uncertainty and grinding poverty, many Jews elected to leave for Israel, France, the United States, and Canada.
Finally, nearly 50,000 traditionally religious Yemeni Jews, who had never seen a plane, were airlifted to Israel in 1949 and in 1950 in Operation "Magic Carpet.". Since the Book of Isaiah promised, "They shall mount up with wings, as eagles". The Jewish community bordered "The Eagles" contentedly; to the pilots consternation some of them lit a bon fire aboard, to cook their food.THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN MOROCCO PRIOR TO 1948
The Jewish community of present-day Morocco dates back more than 2,000 years. There were Jews living there, before it became a Roman province. in 1032 AD, 6000 Jews were murdered. Indeed the greatest persecution by the Arabs towards the Jews was in Fez, Morocco, nothing was worse than the slaughter of 120,000 Jews in 1146 and before that In 1160 Maimonides in his Epistle concerning apostasy writes his fellow Jews: "Now we are asked to render the active homage to heathenism but only to recite an empty formula which the Moslems themselves knew we utter insincerely in order to circumvent the bigot ... indeed, any Jew who, after uttering the Muslim formula, wishes to observe the whole 613 precepts in the privacy of his home, may do so without hindrance. Nevertheless, if, even under circumstances, a Jew surrenders his life for the sanctification of the name of God before men, he has done nobly and his reward is great before the Lord. But if a man asked me, "shall I be slain or utter the formula of Islam?" I answer, "utter the formula and live ... "". In 1391 a wave of Jewish refugees expelled from Spain brought new life to the community, as did new arrivals from Spain and Portugal in 1492 and 1497. From 1438, the Jews of Fez were forced to live in special quarters called mellahs, a name derived from the Arabic word for salt because the Jews in Morocco were forced to carry out the job of salting the heads of executed prisoners prior to their public display. Chouraqui sums it up when he wrote: "such restriction and humiliation as to exceed anything in Europe". Charles de Foucauld in 1883 who was not generally sympathetic to Jews writes of the Jews: "They are the most unfortunate of men, every Jew belongs body and soul to his seigneur, the sid[Arab master]". Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.
THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN MOROCCO AFTER 1948
In June 1948, bloody riots in Oujda and Djerada killed 44 Jews and wounded scores more. That same year, an unofficial economic boycott was instigated against Moroccan Jews.
In 1956, Morocco declared its independence, and Jewish emigration to Israel was suspended. In 1963, emigration resumed, allowing more than 100,000 Moroccan Jews to reach Israel. In 1965, Moroccan writer Said Ghallab described the attitude of his fellow Muslims toward their Jewish neighbors: The worst insult that a Moroccan could possibly offer was to treat someone as a Jew....My childhood friends have remained anti-Jewish. They hide their virulent anti-Semitism by contending that the State of Israel was the creature of Western imperialism....A whole Hitlerite myth is being cultivated among the populace. The massacres of the Jews by Hitler are exalted ecstatically. It is even credited that Hitler is not dead, but alive and well, and his arrival is awaited to deliver the Arabs from Israel. (Said Ghallab, "Les Juifs sont en enfer," in Les Temps Modernes, (April 1965), pp. 2247-2251. ).THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN TUNISIA PRIOR TO 1948
The first documented evidence of Jews in this area dates back to 200 A.D and demonstrates the existence of a community in Latin Carthage under Roman rule. Latin Carthage contained a significant Jewish presence, and
several sages mentioned in the Talmud lived in this area from the 2nd to the 4th centuries. During the Byzantine period, the condition of the community took a turn for the worse. An edict issued by Justinian in 535 excluded Jews from public office, prohibited Jewish practice, and resulted in the transformation of synagogues into churches. Many fled to the Berber communities in the mountains and in the desert.After the Arab conquest of Tunisia in the 7th century, Jews lived under satisfactory conditions, despite discriminatory measures such as a poll tax. From 7th century Arab conquest down through the Almahdiyeen
atrocities, Tunisia fared little better than its neighbors. The complete expulsion of Jews from Kairouan near Tunis occurred after years of hardship, in the 13th century when Kairouan was anointed as a holy city of Islam. ~ In the 16th century, the "hated and despised" Jews of Tunis were periodically attacked by violence and they were subjected to "vehement anti-Jewish policy" during the various political struggles of the period. In 1869 Muslims butchered many Jews in the defenseless ghetto.
Conditions worsened during the Spanish invasions of 1535-1574, resulting in the flight of Jews from the coastal areas. The situation of the community improved once more under Ottoman rule. During this period, the community also split due to strong cultural differences between the Touransa (native Tunisians) and the Grana (those adhering to Spanish or Italian customs). Improvements in the condition of the community occurred during the reign of Ahmed Bey, which began in 1837. He and his successors implemented liberal legislation, and a large number of Jews rose to positions of political power during this reign. Under French rule, Jews were gradually emancipated. However, beginning in November 1940, when the country was ruled by the Vichy authorities, Jews were subject to anti-Semitic laws. From November 1942 until May 1943, the country was occupied by German forces. During that time, the condition of the Jews deteriorated further, and many were deported to labor camps and had their property seized. Jews suffered once more in 1956, when the country achieved independence. The rabbinical tribunal was abolished in 1957, and a year later, Jewish community councils were dissolved. In addition, the Jewish quarter of Tunis was destroyed by the government. Anti-Jewish rioting followed the outbreak of the Six-Day War; Muslims burned down the Great Synagogue of Tunis. While the community was compensated for the damage, these events increased the steady stream of emigration.
THE PERSECUTION OF JEWS IN LIBYA PRIOR TO 1948The Jewish community of Libya traces its origin back to the 3rd century B.C Under Roman rule, where Jews prospered.
In 73 A.D, a zealot from Israel, Jonathan the Weaver, incited the poor of the community in Cyrene to revolt. The Romans reacted with swift vengeance, murdering him and his followers and executing other wealthy Jews in the community. This revolt foreshadowed that of 115 A.D, which broke out not only in Cyrene, but in Egypt and Cyprus as well. In 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews. With the Italian occupation of Libya in 1911, the situation remained good and the Jews made great strides in education. At that time, there were about 21,000 Jews in the country, the majority in Tripoli. In the late 1930s, Fascist anti-Jewish laws were gradually enforced, and Jews were subject to terrible repression. Still, by 1941, the Jews accounted for a quarter of the population of Tripoli and maintained 44 synagogues. In 1942 the Germans occupied the Jewish quarter of Benghazi, plundered shops, and deported more than 2,000 Jews across the desert, where more than one-fifth
of them perished. Many Jews from Tripoli were also sent to forced labor camps. Conditions did not greatly improve following the liberation. During the British occupation, there was a series of pogroms, the worst of which, in 1945, resulted in the deaths of more than 100 Jews in Tripoli and other towns and the destruction of five synagogues. The establishment of the State of Israel, led many Jews to leave the country. A savage pogrom occurred in Tripoli on November 5, 1945 where more than 140 Jews were massacred and almost every synagogue looted. (Howard Sachar, A History of Israel). In June 1948, rioters murdered another 12 Jews and destroyed 280 Jewish homes. Thousands of Jews fled the country after Libya was granted independence and membership in the Arab League in 1951. (Norman Stillman, The Jews of Arab Lands in Modern Times). After the Six-Day War, the Jewish population of 7,000 was again subjected to pogroms in which 18 were killed, and many more injured, sparking a near-total exodus that left fewer than 100 Jews in Libya. When Col. Qaddafi came to power in 1969, all Jewish property was confiscated and all debts to Jews cancelled. Today, no Jews are believed to live in Libya. Although emigration was illegal, more than 3,000 Jews succeeded to leave to Israel. When the British legalized emigration in 1949, more than 30,000 Jews fled Libya. At the time of Colonel Qaddafi's coup in 1969, some 500 Jews remained in Libya. Qaddafi subsequently confiscated all Jewish property and cancelled all debts owed to Jews. By 1974 there were no more than 20 Jews, and it is believed that the Jewish presence has passed out of existence". -
Richie
Just to give you an example of how stubborn the media is in believing that Israel is always the culprit no matter what. In this case it is CNN, the unfair and unbalanced reporting media:
Almost immediately after the assassination of sheik Yassin, Rantisi's predecessor, Rantisi stated for all to hear:
"The Israelis opened the gates of hell. And blood will flow in the streets".
Rantisi was right. But what he didn't foresee, was that it was going to be his blood, and his one way voyage to perdition through those open gates on April 17, 2004.
Minutes after it happened, news networks world-wide were putting their spin on the event. But CNN's on-air personality, Frederica Whitfield has to take the cake.
It's too bad that great looks (she's very attractive) trumps journalistic integrity.
In her interview with Israeli Foreign Affairs spokesman, Gideon Meir (3:20pm Eastern Time), Whitfield asked if this attack on Rantisi was in retaliation to the suicide bombing (murder) a short time before at the Erez border crossing between Gaza and Israel?
Meir said clearly:
This is no retaliation. It was a prepared attack waiting for the best opportunity.
Again, Whitfield asked about Israeli retaliation attacks. Again, Meir said there are no retaliation attacks. Israel - Meir said, is at war with TERRORISTS, and has a strategy that it is following.
Israel will attack TERRORIST leaders whenever Israel has the opportunity to do so with the best chance not to kill or wound innocent civilians. In the case of Rantisi, the opportunity presented itself, and Israel took it.
Again Whitfield came back to retaliation: and again, Meir said Israel does not have the time to retaliate. This is not our strategy.
Whitfield then asked Gideon Meir if the attack on Rantisi was the result of a Green Light given to Ariel Sharon from George Bush?
Once again, Meir's response was crystal clear:
Israel is a sovereign country that makes its own decisions in terms of how it defends itself. Israel does not go to the United States to ask permission in order to act. Just like the United States does not seek permission from others to defend itself.
The moment after Frederica Whitfield thanked Gideon Meir, and he was off-air, the first words out of her mouth were:
"AS YOU HEARD - THIS IS RETALIATION . . . "
Meir said no such thing. TO THE CONTRARY. He insisted at least three times during their discussion that there is no retaliation policy from the State of Israel for acts of Arab TERRORISM.
WAS SHE DEAF?
And to add fuel to the flames of her outright lie concerning retaliation, she included that Israel got the Green Light from George W Bush.
Talk about yellow journalism.
Doesn't CNN promote itself as the MOST TRUSTED NEWS STATION or something like it? If they're the most trusted; God help us.
The spin from all the news networks I've seen, is that this assassination is just going to exacerbate the "cycle" of violence. Sure, just like standing up to Adolf Hitler made things worse for humanity.
Contrary to anti-Israel and Lefty thoughts, the only way to deal with thugs, murderers, and TERRORISTS is to kill them all, especially the cowards at the top. Once they're gone the problem goes with them. And if not, where is Israel any further behind?
Who would hesitate to kill Osama Bin Laden?
I am absolutely convinced that the Palestinians will never have a normal society. It's just not in their nature. But that's their business and their problem.
If security from endemic state sponsored mass murder takes the assassination of one Rantisi, or hundreds of Rantisis - so be it. Eventually, the Palestinians will either get the message or run out of Rantisis.
Killing Rantisi was a step forward not backward. Killing more Rantisis will also be steps forward. Doing nothing, while the world expects Israel to negotiate with liars, thieves, cheats, thugs and murderers is not an option.
Maybe to CNN, the Lefties, and the anti-Semites, negotiation with thugs is an option. But it sure isn't to innocent people who want to survive in the face of murderers.Richie :*)
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ThiChi
Yer:
Realist cannot refute history. Notice how he presents no proof to rebut?
In fact, "Palestinians" as a name was not used until after 1948. Before 1948, they were called the "Greater Syrian Arabs." hummmmm No Nation, no President, no national flower....The "west bank" is a new term, the whole area was Samaria before 1948. Can?t use Jewish names to rewrite history....
Syrian President Hafez Assad once told PLO leader Yassir Arafat:
"You do not represent Palestine as much as we do. Never forget this one point: There is no such thing as a Palestinian People, there is no Palestinian entity, there is only Syria. You are an integral part of the Syrian people, Palestine is an integral part of Syria. Therefore it is we, the Syrian authorities, who are the true representatives of the Palestinian people."
This propaganda since 1948 is the biggest fraud yet. Wake up people........
