by JW Answers 89 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The trinity is a something made up by men and its a rabbit hole that isn't worth going down imho.
Understanding Jesus in the old testament is really the foundation of new testament. A figure that is somehow separate but co eternal with god. The figure which is the physical manifestion of God yet separate of the father.
It's frightening how little jws know about this kind of stuff.
If Jesus is Jehovah then why did he refer to the Father as his "God"? Why are there scriptures that refer to the "God" of Jesus?
Christ referred to the Father as his God, because (after the incarnation) Jesus
was (in addition to being divine) also fully human- and all humans are to honor
the Father as their God. As Paul G. Weathers Contend for the faith (page.
141) states:
“Since Christ came as man, and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore [God], it was perfectly proper for Jesus to call the Father “my God” and to address him in prayer. Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew, and as our high priest (“made like his brothers in every way,” Heb. 2:17), Jesus could address the Father as “God.”
"Although Jesus existed from eternity past as God (Micah 5:2, John 1:1, Heb. 1:10, 7:3, 13:8, Rev. 1:17, 2:8, 22:12-13), the Father is never referred to as the “God” of Jesus except in prophetic verses referring to the coming of Christ as a man and as our high priest (Rev. 3:12).”
Christ is both God and man.
Well said Hoober! 🙂
Well said Hoober! - Vander
Not really. All of the references I listed apart from one refer to Jesus after he was exalted to heaven. Hooby's answer implies that Jesus remains subject to the father who is his God.
It is a contradiction to claim that a human can be equal to their god. Therefore the resurrected Jesus his God and Father are not equal.
the Father is never referred to as the “God” of Jesus except in prophetic verses referring to the coming of Christ as a man and as our high priest - Hooby
This is factually incorrect as I demonstrated with multiple quotes above.
Christ is both God and man
Does he go to the toilet in heaven? Does he breathe air and eat food?
These are not flippant questions. If he is fully human for all eternity then these things follow inevitably. If Jesus still needs to shit then he is hardly equal to his God and Father.
Not really. All of the references I listed apart from one refer to Jesus after he was exalted to heaven. Hooby's answer implies that Jesus remains subject to the father who is his God.
Jesus in his exalted state is still a man in heaven. Therefore, the Father being his God is consistent with the Father being the God of all men (see previous post). It does not refute his being divine as well.
It is a contradiction to claim that a human can be equal to their god. Therefore the resurrected Jesus his God and Father are not equal.
Perhaps if someone were human only, then it would be a contradiction. But the scriptures teach that Jesus is both human and divine. In his divinity he is equal to the Father.
Okay so Jesus is still fully human in his exalted, resurrected state.
So he breathes, eats, drinks, perspires and defecates. His hair grows and therefore he needs to shave and groom.
And yet he is God Almighty in every respect equal to his God and Father.
"So he breathes, eats. drinks, perspires and defecates" - cofty
Wow.......HOLY SHIT!
So cofty are you prepared to conceed that the scriptures stating that Jesus has a “God” do not necessarily disprove him from also being fully God.
