Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

by notsurewheretogo 80 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • cobweb

    I agree that it breaks new ground in how explicit they are being. But i think one could always imply from statements qouted above like:

    this “faithful and discreet slave” was never inspired, never perfect.”

    'inspired' relates to doctrine not behaviour and 'never perfect' surely means to have erred.

    But they are saying it very clearly here and it is certainly striking.

  • stuckinarut2

    The reality is, it doesn't matter about the specific teachings...

    The REAL issue is: OBEY the GB in all things.

  • nowwhat?

    Since it's in the Feb. Watchtower, any major change won't occur until next fall.

  • notsurewheretogo

    So what was the motive for them to specifically say they err in doctrine?

    Larger amounts of dubs being miffed at all the recent changes? Sort that by saying the GB err sometimes.

    Big changes coming in core doctrine? Again sort that by saying the GB err sometimes.

  • sowhatnow

    I cant see them dropping the 144000 idea, how would that play out at memorial?that would be quite a stir, all the people who claim to be anointed, would get pretty upset and be viewed as 'mentally diseased' [unless they will finally split the two ideas and realize the 144000 are not necessarily also the anointed. as the anointed can be without set number....]

    same with the blood issue, all these years forcing people to accept a rule about food ignoring obvious scriptures to support that, and having people die.

    as for 1914, good possibility, because at this point Id be fairly certain that most newer Jws are clueless as to what it even means,and all the people who were supposed to see 'the end' are dead.

    but maybe there will be a New idea presented, to be interwoven in with the already labyrinthine ideas they already have.

    any ideas?

  • notsurewheretogo

    When I said "the anointed on the earth" I was meaning that to explain the increasing number on earth today they may eventually just say that those in the HQ that are on the GB are the only ones line with the recent change that the FDS are only those at the HQ.

    I think they may change just who the anointed or...not get rid of the idea. But either way, any change would be they can now justify if they can now err in doctrinal matters!

  • pale.emperor

    Before my disfellowshipping was announced and my family were still speaking to me i told them all "things will change, they have to if this religion is to continue". They all said "no, no, the bible doesn't change" they didn't see the distinction.

    Im guessing the GB are pondering how they can scrap the 1914 teaching while keeping their power. They may play the humble card. "The GB humbly admits that they were wrong in their interpretation" but quickly come out with a new prophecy which will create a happy buzz in the congregations.

    It's by belief that when this GB are all dead, the new younger GB will scrap A LOT of the controversial rules and blame the deaths and broken families on the old GB.

  • punkofnice

    Nothing is interpreted but the interpretation comes from God and is then published.
    (WT 1943 July 1 pp. 202-203)

    Angels deliver what is published.
    (PREPARATION 1933 pp. 36-37, 64)

    THE WATCHTOWER publishes "no man's opinion".
    (WT 1931 November 1 p. 327; 1936 March 15 p. 85)

    "To it (this organization) alone...the Bible is not a sealed book." The WTS is "the only organization on earth that understands the 'deep things of God.' "
    (WT 1973 July 1 p. 402)

    The leaders are "spirit directed" (WT 1988 March 1 p. 10)

    and "God's channel."
    (WT 1969 January 15 p. 51; 1960 July 15 pp. 439, 442)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the 'slave' as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision."
    (WT 1957 June 15 p. 370)

    C. T. Russell founder of the WTS, called himself "God's mouthpiece" (WT 1906 July 15 p. 229); claimed that compared to reading his books Bible reading is "a waste of time" (WT 1910 September 15 p. 298)

    , and that his books "harmonize...every statement in the Bible."
    (DIVINE PLAN OF THE AGES 1886 p. 348)

    God uses and directs the WTS.
    (VINDICATION Book 1 1931 p. 77)

    "The 'slave' class has served as God's sole collective channel for the flow of Biblical truth to men on earth. Just as the early Christian congregation collectively served as the channel of communication from heaven to earth, so in our time."
    (WT 1960 July 15 p. 439)

    "As Jehovah revealed his truths by means of the first-century Christian congregation so he does today by means of the present-day Christian congregation. Through this agency he is having carried out prophesying on an intensified and unparalleled scale. All of this activity is not an accident. Jehovah is the one behind all of it." (WT 1964 June 15 p. 365)

    "Therefore, in submitting to Jehovah's theocratic organization, we must be in full and complete agreement with every feature of its apostolic procedure and requirements."
    (WT 1967 October 1 p. 593)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." (Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370)

    Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning.""( Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402)

    The point is that Christians have implicit trust in their heavenly Father; they do not question what he tells them through his written Word and organization." (Watchtower 1974 Jul 15 p.441)

    "We must serve Jehovah in truth, as revealed in his Word and made clear in the publications of "the faithful and discreet slave." Watchtower 1996 May 15 p.18

    w10 7/15 p.23 par.10 “The Spirit Searches Into... the Deep Things of God”

    When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of “the faithful and discreet slave” at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13)

    p.17: "Listening to the slave class means giving our full cooperation to its Governing Body."

    p.27: "Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same?" "The slave thus deserves our complete trust"

    p.28: "By all means, then, let us listen to the Christ and his trustworthy spirit-anointed brothers."

    ***w10 9/15 p.8 par.7 Earnestly Seek Jehovah’s Blessing ***

    We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.

    -- w10 9/15 p. 13 par. 8: "Similarly today, a Governing Body composed of spirit-anointed Christians contributes to the unity of the worldwide congregation. The Governing Body publishes spiritually encouraging literature in many languages. This spiritual food is based on God’s Word. Thus, what is taught is not from men but from Jehovah.—Isa. 54:13."

    ***w10 9/15 p.23 par.8 “Your Leader Is One, the Christ” ***

    The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

    ***si p.9 par.16 (2011) “All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial” ***

    (1) Jehovah God originates his utterances; (2) then his official Word, or Spokesman—now known as Jesus Christ—often transmits the message; (3) God’s holy spirit, the active force that is used as the medium of communication, carries it earthward; (4) God’s prophet on earth receives the message; and (5) he then publishes it for the benefit of God’s people.

    -- w12 9/15 p. 22 par. 16 Learn From the Patience of Jehovah and Jesus

    Well, a person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would.

    -- w12 9/15 p. 24 par. 4 "You Know Neither the Day Nor the Hour"

    As the end of this system draws ever closer, the work of pointing to Jehovah’s provisions for salvation has never been more important.

    -- w12 11/15 p. 17 par. 9 Cultivate the Spirit of a Lesser One

    A humble person has heartfelt gratitude for Jehovah’s provisions, including spiritual food. Hence, such an individual is a diligent student of the Bible and an avid reader of the Watchtower and Awake! magazines. Like many other faithful servants of Jehovah, he may make it a practice to read each new publication before putting it away on a bookshelf in his personal library. When we manifest humble appreciation by reading and studying our Bible-based publications, we make spiritual advancement, and Jehovah is able to use us more fully in his service.

    -- w13 4/15 p12 par 11 Do not tire out

    Jehovah has provided a bounteous supply of written spiritual food to give us strength. No doubt, you can think of a time when after reading a publication, you thought: ‘That is exactly what I needed! It is as if Jehovah had that written just for me!’ That is not a coincidence. Through these provisions, Jehovah does instruct and guide us.

    WT 15 Nov 2013 - "At that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from Jehovah’s organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint. All of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not. (4) Now is the time for any who may be putting their trust in secular education, material things, or human institutions to adjust their thinking. The elders must stand ready to help any who may now be wavering in their faith."

  • poppers

    How will they reconcile this with their directive to obey what the GB says no matter what they say?

  • nowwhat?

    This just in. New light! " Now that we have our corporate country club and all your money, all you morons can go f#@k yourselves!".... Or something to that effect.

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