Freaking savages--Muslim Women Killed in the West

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  • frenchbabyface
    frenchbabyface

    I knew I shouldn?t read this but I did ?

    First (((Teenyuck and mother))) !!!

    JWBOT : This has to stop and governments all over need to get to the root of the problem which is these mens view of women.
    It is the main thing !!!

    And yes :

    Sara Annie : Yet another of the dangers of fundamentalism. (Notice here that I did not single any religion/culture out). Fundamentalists are disadvantaged in that they've been conditioned, by their belief system, to ignore the natural 'bullshit detector' that most humans use to discern what is logical and reasonable from what is absolute wackiness. Once the ability to distinguish between looniness and reality is disabled, it's a difficult (and often impossible) skill to re-learn.

    I know lots of muslims who are real good husbands ? (I DO) but still they are only a few. As you notice they are not saying a fair kill (which not understandable in any case) they are talking about HONOR KILL which means what it means ? It?s all about EGO ? I knew fathers who instead or getting into that to protect their daughters from that send them in a foreigner countries ? Some moved cause they were pushed to kill (even brothers when the father would not agree).

    And yes :

    Abaddon : I'm glad your mum got out of that ghastly situation' one thing I feel from the very tips of my toes is that women who kill a spouse who has consistantly abused and terrorised them should walk away from court free. In Britain they've recently overturned a few cases where, shamefully, women were jailed for killing abusive spouses. There's a growing recognition that cutting the bastard's throat while he sleeps is sometimes the only way a woman feels she can escape the cycle of abuse, and is not the cold-blooded pre-meditated murder it has previously been seen as, but is rather a desperate act of self-protection.

    I will always be against the penalty of death, not because I don?t want to have them DEAD !!! But there is there will be still lots of innocent people condemned ? And I don?t want them to pay for the real criminals !!! it?s the only reason why. That is also why I don?t understand why desperate women who did kill because they just could not stand it anymore have to pay the bill twice !
    But I know why the judges are condemning them : they are scared (too much women are in the position to get to this point) and of course again some women could take advantage of that to kill just because they don?t love they husband anymore in building a false story. Again the good one are paying for the bad once.

    The day I was thrown in the hole stair ? head first ? and I was just lucky that my hand reached something before I heat the ground ? the police officer told me ? ?what are you crying about ? you?re lucky ? we?ve got a woman who died today because she have been stabbed on the head with a chop !? ? I wasn?t relieved ?, they didn?t care AT ALL (how comes ... I still don?t understand And it was not the only time things happen ... that first time for a moment my ears truly stop earing what they were saying there mouths were moving but I couldn' hear what they were saying anymore ...) I was too young for whatever ? and had no support at all ? I had no choice but go back home. They didn?t help me in anyway (they were all men anyway)

    I?m tired with that ?

  • berylblue
    berylblue
    Forgive me Simon, but what other-- non-Muslim-- culture sanctions the murder of children?

    EXACTLY. The culture also sanctions the killing of women. I can provide proof if you wish but take, for example, an account from "Princess" where a woman was drowned in her family pool by her father for certain "sins" (somewhat "immoral" behavior) while the family watched. You don't see much of that going on in England, do you?

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    As with many Holy Books the Quran is open to interpretation. Many of its teachings are paradoxical, contradictory and not relevant to the present period. To give just one example, the Quran has entire sections on how to treat a slave because in the 7th century slavery was seen as quite normal. Here are some of the teachings the Quran has with regards to women.

    Negative things the Quran says about women: "Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other and because men spend their wealth to maintain women. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those women from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. They if they obey you take no further action against them. Allah is high, supreme." Holy Quran. Sura 4:34

    In the teachings of the Quran adulterous women should be flogged while women found guilty of fornication should be put under house arrest until death or until "Allah ordains for them another way."

    Also according to the Quran, a daughter can only receive half the inheritance of a son. A woman's testimony in court is worth half that of a man's. The compensation for the murder of a woman is half that as for a man.

    Positive things the Quran says about women: The education of girls is a sacred duty. Women are allowed to own and inherit property. And, according to the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, sexual satisfaction is a woman's entitlement.

    Women in Taliban Afghanistan

    Though the Taliban have been driven out of power in Afghanistan much of the laws and traditions they enforced still remain in place. Mercifully the situation is changing but slowly. . .
    • Since theTaliban took power in 1996 women have had to wear a tentlike garment called a burqua. They have been beaten and stoned in public for not having the proper attire, even if this means simply not having the mesh covering in front of their eyes. One woman was beaten to death by an angry mob of fundamentalists for accidentally exposing her arm while she was driving which she was also forbidden to do. Another was stoned to death for trying to leave the country with a man that was not a relative.
    • Women were not allowed to work or even go out in public without a male relative; professional women such as professors, translators, doctors, lawyers, artists and writers were forced from their jobs and restricted to their homes.
    • Homes where a woman is present must have their windows painted so that she can never be seen by outsiders. They must wear silent shoes so that they are never heard.
    • Women live in fear of their lives for the slightest misbehavior. Because they cannot work, those without male relatives or husbands are either starving to death or begging in the street, even if they hold Ph.D.'s.
    • Depression is becoming so widespread that it has reached emergency levels. There is no way in such an extreme Islamic society to know the suicide rate with certainty, but relief workers are estimating that the suicide rate among women must be extraordinarily high: those who cannot find proper medication and treatment for severe depression and would rather take their lives than live in such conditions.
    • At one of the rare hospitals for women, a reporter found still, nearly lifeless bodies lying motionless on top of beds, wrapped in their burqua, unwilling to speak, eat, or do anything, but slowly wasting away. Others have gone mad and were seen crouched in corners, perpetually rocking or crying, most of them in fear. It is at the point where the term "human rights violations" has become an understatement.
    • Husbands have the power of life and death over their women relatives, especially their wives, but
      an angry mob has just as much right to stone or beat a woman, often to death, for exposing an inch of flesh or offending them in the slightest way.

    Women in Bahrain

    • In Bahrain, a male doctor may legally examine a woman's genitals but is prohibited from looking directly at them during the examination. He may only see their reflection in a mirror.

    Women in Bangladesh

    • Over 2000 women a year are victims of fatal or disfiguring acid attacks for alleged improper behaviour. (The World and I, May 2003)
    • A rapist can sometimes marry the woman he has assaulted and avoid prosecution. This saves the family's "honor" and the woman's life. The result is that the assailant is now effectively allowed to rape his victim repeatedly, with the blessing of the court system.

    Women in Egypt

    • A woman cannot leave the country without her husband's permission.
    • FGM (Female Circumcision or Female Genital Mutilation) is widespread in Egypt .
    • "Honor Killing" is still practiced in rural areas and even in the main city of Cairo..
    • Wife beating is so prevalent that most housewives see it as a normal part of marriage. Social workers spend much of their time just trying to convince victims that their husband's violent acts are unnacceptable.

    Women in the Islamic Republic of Iran

    • The legal age for marriage of a girl is 9 years old .
    • Iran's penal code specifies, "The stoning of an adulterer or adulteress shall be carried out while each is placed in a hole and covered with soil, he up to his waist and she up to a line above her breasts". Court appointed officials or ordinary citizens then pelt the accused with stones large enough to cause pain but not large enough to kill immediately. In the Islamic penal code called Sharia the burden to prove guilt in a man is much more than with a woman. Thus women are punished more by their "transgressions" than men. Two women were stoned to death in Iran in 2001, one for adultery and the other for appearing in a pornographic movie. Cited in TIME Europe; Sept 2, 2002, p. 26-7

    Women in Jordan

    • Article 340 of the Jordanian Penal Code states, "He who discovers his wife or one of his female relatives has commited adultery and kills, wounds, or injures one or both of them, is exempted from any penalty." In December 2001 Articles 97 and 98 allow for a reduced sentence for crimes committed in a "fit of fury" related to the perceived loss of honor. Approximately 75% of such "honor" killings are committed by the brother of the victim. The average sentence for the murder is about 6 months. Attempts by International Human Rights groups to cancel or modify this law are charactarised as attempts to erode Arab morals and destroy families. 62% of Jordanians oppose amending this article.
    • At least 50 women a year are imprisoned in Jordan on "honor" related cases. Most will be killed by their family if they are released. "Once imprisoned a woman can only be released to a male relative who must agree not to murder them. Regarless of assurances women are often murdered within hours after their discharge. In one particularly grisly incident, Fayaz Mohammed secured the release of his seventeen-year old daughter, Lamis, from a Jordanian Detention center. He guaranteed her safety and then slit her throat once she was released in his care. Fayaz was sentenced to nine months in prison for his crime. (The World and I, May 2003, p. 184-9)

    Women in Kashmir

    • A woman who leaves the house with her face uncovered runs the risk of having acid thrown in her face.
    • A woman's virginity is considered the family's responsibility, especially the male members who will dominate her for her entire life, first her father, then her brothers, then her husband and finally her sons.

    Women in Palestine

    • Women are not allowed to travel alone. They are required to have a male relative accompany them if they leave the house. Unfortunately, her male "guardian" - father, brother, uncle or cousin - may also be her rapist. Should she become pregnant, he will publicly condemn for dishonoring the family and then kill her and the unborn child. In 2002, 17-year old Afaf Younes was killed by her father, who had allegedly been sexually molesting her. Afaf had tried to escape his sexual abuse by running away, but she was caught and returned to her father. He then shot her in the name of honor. (The World and I, May 2003, p. 191)
    • Among Palestinians, all sexual encounters, including rape and incest are blamed on the woman. Men are presumed innocent; the women must have tempted him into raping her or enticed him into having an affair. Even if a woman survives a violent rape, she is condemned for her "mistake" and may be killed by her family. (The World and I, May 2003, p. 188)
    • If a woman brings shame to her family, her male relatives are bound by duty and culture to kill her. "A woman shamed is like rotting flesh," according to one Palestinian merchant. "If it is not cut away, it will consume the body. What I mean is that the whole family will be tainted if she is not killed."

    Women in Pakistan

    • In law, the testimony of one man is equal to that of two women
    • For a woman to prove rape, four adult males of "impeccable" character must witness the penetration according to the local interpretation of Shari'a or Islamic Law. As a result very, very few men are charged with rape.
    • However, a ccording to a CNN report in August 2002, 60% of women are charged with adultery in Pakistan if they are raped. The punishment for their "crime" is that the women are jailed or are forced to marry their rapist.

    Women in Saudi Arabia

    • Women are not allowed to drive automobiles or fly anywhere without the permission of their husband or senior male relative.
    • Women can only work in complete segregation from men.
    • "Honor killings" are widespread. A male relative can kill his female relative for such "offenses" as, allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, refusing an arranged marriage, attempting to obtain a divorce, or simply talking with a man.

    Women in the Sudan

    • "Honor killings" widespread in the Muslim areas of Northern Sudan.
    Women in Saudi Arabia
    • Women are not allowed to drive automobiles or fly anywhere without the permission of their husband or senior male relative.
    • Women can only work in complete segregation from men.
    • "Honor killings" are widespread. A male relative can kill his female relative for such "offenses" as, allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, refusing an arranged marriage, attempting to obtain a divorce, or simply talking with a man.
  • berylblue
    berylblue

    RIGHTS OF WOMEN: QUR?ANIC IDEALS VERSUS MUSLIM PRACTICE

    Adapted from Riffat Hassan
    Professor of Religious Studies - Louisville University

    Muslim men never tire of repeating that Islam has given more rights to women than has any other religion. Certainly, if by ?Islam? is meant ?Qur?anic Islam? and the ?Islam? practiced by the Prophet, his Companions and the later, pious generations, the rights that it has given to women are, indeed, impressive. Not only do women partake of all the ?General Rights? mentioned in the foregoing pages, they are also the subject of much particular concern in the Qur?an. However unfortunately, some national and geographical customs and traditions have clouded the status of women in some Muslim communities.

    Muslims say with great pride that Islam abolished female infanticide; true, but, it must also be mentioned that one of the crimes in a number of Muslim countries is the murder of women by their husbands. These so-called ?honor-killings? are, in fact, extremely dishonorable and are frequently used to camouflage other kinds of crimes.

    Female children are discriminated against from the moment of birth, for it is customary in some Muslim societies to regard a son as a gift, and a daughter as a trial, from God. Therefore, the birth of a son is an occasion for celebration while the birth of a daughter calls for commiseration if not lamentation. Many girls are married when they are still minors, even though marriage in Islam is a contract and presupposes that the contracting parties are both consenting adults. Even though so much Qur?anic legislation is aimed at protecting the rights of women in the context of marriage] women cannot claim equality with their husbands. The husband, in fact, is regarded as his wife?s gateway to heaven or hell and the arbiter of her final destiny. That such an idea can exist within the framework of Islam - which, in theory, rejects the idea of there being any intermediary between a believer and God - represents both a profound irony and a great tragedy.

    Although the Qur?an presents the idea of what we today call a ?no-fault? divorce and does not make any adverse judgements about divorce, Muslim societies have made divorce extremely difficult for women, both legally and through social penalties. Although the Qur?an states clearly that the divorced parents of a minor child must decide by mutual consultation how the child is to be raised and that they must not use the child to hurt or exploit each other, in some Muslim societies, women are deprived both of their sons (generally at age 7) and their daughters (generally at age 12). It is difficult to imagine an act of greater cruelty than depriving a mother of her children simply because she is divorced. Although polygamy was intended by the Qur?an to be for the protection of orphans and widows, in practice some Muslims have made it the Sword of Damocles which keeps women under constant threat. Although the Qur?an gave women the right to receive an inheritance not only on the death of a close relative, but also to receive other bequests or gifts during the lifetime of a benevolent caretaker, some Muslim societies have disapproved greatly of the idea of giving wealth to a woman in preference to a man, even when her need or circumstances warrant it. Although the purpose of the Qur?anic legislation dealing with women?s dress and conduct, was to make it safe for women to go about their daily business (since they have the right to engage in gainful activity as witnessed by Surah 4: An-Nisa? :32 without fear of sexual harassment or molestation, Muslim societies have put many of them behind veils and shrouds and locked doors on the pretext of protecting their chastity, forgetting that according to the Qur?an, confinement to their homes was not a normal way of life for chaste women but a punishment for ?unchastity?.

    Woman and man, created equal by God and standing equal in the sight of God, have become unequal in some Muslim societies. The Qur?anic description of man and woman in marriage: ?They are your garments/ And you are their garments? (Surah 2: Al-Baqarah: 187) implies closeness, mutuality, and equality. However, the culture of some Muslim societies has reduced many, if not most, women to the position of puppets on a string, to slave-like creatures whose only purpose in life is to cater to the needs and pleasures of men. Not only this, it has also had the audacity and the arrogance to deny women direct access to God. It is one of Islam?s cardinal beliefs that each person -man or woman- is responsible and accountable for his or her individual actions. How, then, can the husband become the wife?s gateway to heaven or hell? How, then, can he become the arbiter not only of what happens to her in this world but also of her ultimate destiny? Such questions are now being articulated by an increasing number of Muslim women and they are bound to threaten the existing balance of power in the domain of family relationships in most Muslim societies.

    However, despite everything that has gone wrong with the lives of many Muslim women down the ages due to patriarchal culture formed by local customs and traditions, there is hope for the future. There are indications from across the world of Islam that a growing number of Muslims are beginning to reflect seriously upon the teachings of the Qur?an as they become disenchanted with capitalism, communism and other western systems. As this reflection deepens, it is likely to lead to the realization that the supreme task entrusted to human beings by God can only be accomplished by establishing justice which the Qur?an regards as a prerequisite for authentic peace. Without the elimination of the inequities, inequalities, and injustices that pervade the personal and collective lives of human beings, it is not possible to talk about peace in Qur?anic terms. Here, it is of importance to note that there is more Qur?anic legislation pertaining to the establishment of justice in the context of family relationships than on any other subject. This points to the assumption implicit in much Qur?anic learning, namely, that if human beings can learn to order their homes justly so that the human rights of all within its jurisdiction - children, women, and men - are safeguarded, then they can also order their society and the world at large, justly. In other words, the Qur?an regards the home as a microcosm of the ?umma? and the world community, and emphasizes the importance of making it ?the abode of peace? through just living.
  • berylblue
    berylblue

    The above articles does not mention that the Q'uran allows for beating women and states that men are superior to women.

  • berylblue
    berylblue

    ((Frenchbabyface))

  • teenyuck
    teenyuck

    {{{frenchbabyface}}}

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    And the US looks the other way for sake of Oil interests...

  • heathen
    heathen

    The US is not to blame because moslems like to beat their women . We are a free nation but still have these problems of murder and abuse . The US has done what it could to promote civil rights thru the association with the UN . They just spent 100 billion dollars trying to liberate the Iraquie people from tyranny and that's not to mention the previous attempts to topple saddam houssein ( ok so maybe the oil was also an issue) I bring to mind the time spent fighting communism in asia . I think the US does more than they should . IMO The moslems have already called a jihad against the US and foreign intervention which have led to terror attacks that kill americans everday .

  • jwbot
    jwbot

    There are other countries where this is going on...not just Iraq. Of course...Saudi Arabia are our friends! Can't bring up their treatment of women, no!

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