Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Baker Who Refused to Bake Cake for Gay Couple

by Simon 252 Replies latest social current

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    One isn't participating in an event if the person or business is doing so under a business transaction in a public forum.

    The cake retailers are there to make a cake for various situations for the general public as a public service.

    Personal biases or prejudices should therefore be restrained regarding human sexuality or religious affiliations.

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard
    Another hypothetical situation ...Lets say a JWS opened their own cake shop but they refused to make cakes for Birthdays, Christmas, Mother's day, Father's day, same sex marriages, secular holidays or any religious affiliated celebrations.
    Legal or not even though they held a public business license to operate in their community ?

    Perfectly fine. They own the property. I don’t see what a public business license has to do with it. Are you thinking that just because the state forced them to get a license, that now somehow the property becomes public and they lose ownership?

  • MeanMrMustard
    MeanMrMustard

    @Fink:

    How does a business transaction imply loss of private property rights?

  • Hisclarkness
    Hisclarkness

    Freemindfade, it’s not quite as simple as you make it.

    The Baker chooses not to make other types of cakes because of his religious beliefs such as Halloween cakes or adult themed cakes but the difference between those examples and the gay couple is that he doesn’t make Halloween cakes for ANYBODY. He doesn’t make adult themed cakes for ANYBODY. But he DOES make custom cakes for weddings. So if he makes custom cakes for everybody’s weddings except the gay couple, then there is a solid case to be made for discrimination. On what other basis is he refusing to make the custom cake for the gay couple?

    i understand he is entitled to his religious beliefs. And if it means that much to him then he should cease to make custom cakes PERIOD. But since he offers a service of making custom wedding cakes, he has to offer that service to all and can not discriminate based on race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.

    He could choose to not make custom cakes and avoid the situation all together because of his conscience. But once he chooses to offer a service he must be prepared to offer that service to ALL. In this case, the service is providing custom wedding cakes.

  • Simon
    Simon
    One isn't participating in an event if the person or business is doing so under a business transaction in a public forum.

    Tell that to the leftists who demand boycotts of anyone who has anything todo with someone they don't like. That includes the gay activists who send death threats to Christian bakers children and threaten suppliers if they do business with them.

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    The cake retailers are there to make a cake for various situations for the general public as a public service.

    Under government compulsion??? Good lord I can't...

    Personal biases or prejudices should therefore be restrained regarding human sexuality or religious affiliations.

    So we need thought police to watch for thought crime, so we can eliminate prejudice forever! You are talking about restraining thought and speech, you think that will just be imposed or used against the religious? Doesn't work that way bright eyes. You are giving the government too much credit.

    We have reasonable discrimination boundaries in place, and we probably need to reevaluate those.

    Maybe the state should seize the means of cake production, therefore, they can ensure fair distribution of cakes so there is never any unfairness at all! I see where you are going with this comrade Fink Marx

  • Hisclarkness
    Hisclarkness

    And I’m not saying the baker is hateful. I completely accept that he may have no problem with the gay couple other than his sincerely held religious beliefs. But it’s still discrimination. And this is why the court cautioned that this ruling was case specific to his situation and alluded that future similar cases would have a different outcome.

  • Simon
    Simon
    He could choose to not make custom cakes and avoid the situation all together because of his conscience. But once he chooses to offer a service he must be prepared to offer that service to ALL. In this case, the service is providing custom wedding cakes.

    Actually, it was for something that wasn't legal at the time in that state so he had every right to refuse to support it, quite apart from the right to uphold his religious beliefs

  • freemindfade
    freemindfade
    The Baker chooses not to make other types of cakes because of his religious beliefs such as Halloween cakes or adult themed cakes but the difference between those examples and the gay couple is that he doesn’t make Halloween cakes for ANYBODY.

    Wrong

    Halloween = event: no cakes for any participating

    Gay wedding = event: no cakes for any participating

    is that too simple as well?

    he doesn't stop people who come in and ask them if they celebrate Halloween then kick them out of his store. he chooses not to work for Halloween, and not for gay weddings. Want to sue Hobby Lobby, chick fillet, and other fundie companies for being closed on Sundays? Its a ridiculous downward spiral that in the end steps on freedom.

  • _Morpheus
    _Morpheus

    Sigh... creativity is deeply rooted to the person doing the creating. You simply CANNOT force someone to be creative for you. Want proof?

    Who owns a tattoo? The person its on, right? Nope. Tattoo artists can copy write their work.

    Its admirable that so many care about ‘gay rights’...

    but theres no such thing. Homosexuals have no special rights. Sorry if that bothers you.

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