Leaked Elder's Video: How to deal with a suicidal sister

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  • Nicholaus Kopernicus
    Nicholaus Kopernicus

    That this video is being shown at KH's exemplifies the lack of learning and incompetence of the GB and it's teaching committee. That there is no recommendation to the sister that she obtain professional help is truly reprehensible. The approach taken parallels to a degree, that taken in cases of child abuse - kept in house and away from professional services such as police and child protection departments of local authorities.

    If a suicidal individual approaches a General Practitioner for help in the UK, that GP will in all likelihood seek to involve secondary services with haste. If a suicidal individual approaches a hospital's accident and emergency department, the A & E will involve the psychiatric liaison service. Regardless of the route chosen by the suffering individual therefore, the involvement of appropriate professional skills is usually recommended and actioned. Of course, this is evidence of the GP and the A & E department acting in the victims best interests. The same can hardly be said of the responses portrayed in the GB / teaching department's video. A key factor in assessing the sufferer, is whether or not s(he) has suicidal plans. This is an indication of the suicidal thinking progressing to INTENT. Help being given is urgent. Professionals will look at many factors in asssessing the individual including clinical factors such as....

    1. depression
    2. suicidal thoughts (ideation)
    3. suicidal plans (intent)
    4. hopelessness
    5. marked restlessness
    6. etreme lability of mood
    7. hostility / aggression
    8. perceptual disturbance - particularly auditory hallucinations instructing the person to harm self

    Indications of high suicide risk following act(s) of self harm include...

    1. evidence of pre-planning
    2. has considered decision to choose a violent method
    3. fuly expects or expected to die
    4. signs of avoidance of discovery and/or intervention
    5. consciously isolated at time of act
    6. suicide note
    7. regret at survival

    None of the above pre/post self harm assessment steps even begins to be addressed in the case vignette portrayed in the video as teaching points. The video conveys the idea of elders dealing with the matter to be quite normative and with the situation being speedily assuaged - quite dangerous and unrealistic. Should elders adopt this portrayal as the way to approach such an individual, then they could be placing themselves at risk as their not recommending professional help is clearly deleterious to the individual and in my opinion, quite unchristian.

  • OzGirl

    Oh my giddy aunt!!!!! I saw this when it first came out. Can't believe they're still showing it.

    They're out of touch with reality.

  • jhine
    Makeme , you hinted that you have had depression and possibly suicidal thoughts . You say that you did not get help in Christendom . l'm sorry that you felt let down . Have you resolved your issues now? Jan
  • atomant
    Outlaw are you implying that makemeabeliever meant to say deviates.As in a pack of deviates.just sayin.

    Outlaw are you implying that makemeabeliever meant to say deviates.

    As in a pack of deviates.just sayin......atomant

    I`m not implying anything......I`m Pointing Out the Obvious..

    Shunning has its bad side (which every deviant here has made clear).....Makemeanunbeliever


  • Joe Grundy
    Joe Grundy

    I never was a JW.

    My first impression on watching that video was that it was a parody. Sadly, it's apparently not. A sleazy slimeball grinning smirking tw*t and his sidekick (would you buy a used car from these men?) go to visit a recently bereaved young widow, pull out the NWT and a magazine, talk about Job and being an 'integrity keeper'? WTF?

    (My evil mind saw this as the first chapter in a porno movie - followed by one or both of the f**kwits calling back for extra-mural 'shepherding' visits).

    This made me so angry that I'll stop there. I need a coffee and a cigarette before I comment further. But I'll be back.

  • Joe Grundy
    Joe Grundy

    Another coffee and another cigarette needed - but I'll just say this.

    I've been on this site for many years. I thought I'd seen the depths of the WT (especially after the ARC fiasco). But seeing this video has shown me that this cult is worse than I had thought, and that's taken some doing.

    It takes a lot to shock me, but this has done it. And it's out of the WT's own mouth.

  • DwainBowman

    That's about the worst thing I have ever seen!

    The only thing they did for me, was almost push, me right back over the edge, that I was stuggling, to get away from!


  • Joe Grundy
    Joe Grundy

    Random thoughts.

    She says 'I can't go on'. 'I need help'. The f**kwits are not listening.

    Bro sleazeball is talking in that slow slightly-slurred voice as if he is a) slightly drunk, b) a mystic or c) a Medicine Man.

  • Joe Grundy
    Joe Grundy

    OK, I'm showered, caffeined and nicotined.

    But no less affected by this video - and I am assuming here from previous comments that this is being held up as the correct response by the 'Chosen Ones'. Barf.


    I have some experience of this. Professionally and personally, and in this context I don't mind sharing.

    I was a police officer for 30 years. I have seen many suicides up close, by various methods, and had the experience of telling loved ones about it. My last posting, as a supervisor, involved being 'on-call' and my most poignant memory is of going out at 3 am to the suicide of a 15 year old girl. I cried with the parents. This is not recommended professional behaviour. I had a daughter the same age.

    My father in law hung himself - he was younger than I am now. I had the job of telling my then wife, our children, and organising the funeral.

    And personally - I've been there, more than once. PTSD and other stuff. I'm still here. I probably wouldn't be if the help I received was limited to the sh*tbags in this video.

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