Gerrit Lösch gives a special talk the Norval Assembly Hall in Georgetown Canada

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  • fastJehu

    @ Wild_Thing

    Thanks for checking the sources.

  • jp1692

    WildThing: Thanks for finding and sharing those statistics.

    So making more money is important, but NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING to recent incoming freshmen.

    They are more interested in getting a better job, gaining a general education and appreciation of ideas, and getting training for a specific career. Laudable goals all!

  • Finkelstein

    The benefit of education and distribution of knowledge is an obvious benefit for all of humanity , the benefit of pioneering for the Watchtower Corporation and donating money to the WTS. is a few corrupt men like Losch get to live off that cultivated money .

    A lot of the leading idiots who ran the WTS didn't have a education or built up savings to retire on so men like Losch have to keep the organization running for their own sake and sustenance. $$$

    It isn't too hard to learn the bullshit to propagate the bullshit and the GB men have years of training under their belt..

  • road to nowhere
    road to nowhere

    that survey didn't even mention that lots of people want education to further the good of all mankind. Doctors, nurses, come to mind.

    The elders who do more for the flock usually have enough money to not work 2 jobs, and smarts to figure problems out.

  • Fay Dehr
    Fay Dehr

    Losch refers to a man who attempted suicide. The JW quote is from here:

    Source: g88 7/8 p. 30 ( Bullet Surgery A 22-year-old man “plagued by a compulsion to wash hundreds of times a day” accidentally “performed successful neurosurgery on himself” while attempting suicide, reports the New York Daily News. Distressed over his obsessive-compulsive behavior, he “put a .22-caliber rifle in his mouth and fired a shot that hit the left front lobe of his brain,” explains the News. Instead of killing himself, the young man actually removed the portion of the brain that is believed to control obsessive behavior, reported Dr. Leslie Solyom in the British Journal of Psychiatry. Freed from his compulsive behavior, the individual has a new job and currently attends college.

    ...and the "non-JW" article from 1988 archives on Washington Post:

    ...and original New York Times article:

    ...with an ironic twist.... "Although George's depression did not disappear and he is still on medication, the bullet's action has enabled him to resume a normal life and go on to college." (Washington Post). New York Times article even relates that he is "now a straight-A college student". How ironic is that? Losch chooses to "skim read" the story - failing to fact check the slightest details - and shoots himself in the foot. Losch has actually quoted about this failed suicide to CONDEMN education...failing to be aware that the REAL person actually ends up in HIGHER EDUCATION. You just couldn't make this stuff up! :-)

  • waton

    No wonder he could not pack the hall, 1/3 of the seats were empty.

    Loesch loesched the fiery zeal.

    "Loeschen" german to extinguish.

    feel sorry for the good guys : Shoefeld, Mc Ewan.

  • steve2

    1408 cong in Canada 115,937 pubs memorial 183048

    Other posters have accurately spotted Loesch's outdated and manipulative quoting of external source material (Fay Dehr, many thanks for your amazing find regarding the OCD man) so I will focus on the above numbers that were cited during Loesch's presentation:

    Note the following from previous years:

    In 2014, there was a peak of more than 116,312 publishers in Canada, 375 more than the current peak.

    In 2011, there was a high of 192,006 at the memorial service, 8,958 more than this year.

    In 2016, 1,409 and in 2018, 1,408 - at least one congregation less than two years ago.

    Amazing numbers, yes! I bet the latest numbers were not placed in the context of previous year's better numbers. Only when there is "marvellous increase" does the organization make comparisons with earlier years.

    Very wise of them, I'd say.

  • SnakesInTheTower

    I was still an elder in 2006 when I went to college. One of the reasons they deleted me.

    My first class I took was Ethics. I took stances on every issue we discussed that was opposite of what JWs believed. And it woke me up. I left JW in 2007.

    A few years later, when my non JW wife took her class, I had a chance to thank that instructor and tell her how her class changed my life.

    No wonder JWs don't want anyone educated.


  • slimboyfat

    I have reported this thread title for offences against the word “special”.

  • NewYork44M

    It appears that Dr. Austin published these findings in 1991. This relates to research conducted “between the late 1960s and the mid-1980s American college students became much more focused on material goals and less concerned with altruism and social problems.”

    Here is the source:

    Astin, A. (1991). The changing American college student: implications for educational policy and practice. Higher Education, 22(2), 129-143. doi:10.1007/BF00137472

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