by Kelley959 178 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
Rocketman123 (quoting NLT):
The land finally enjoyed its Sabbath rest, lying desolate
Except that isn’t what Jeremiah said. That’s from Leviticus 26:34-35. It is clumsy writing, but in addition to the period of nations serving Babylon for 70 years, the reference to Leviticus alludes to the fact that the period from Jerusalem’s destruction until the Jews’ return was 49 years (see full context of Leviticus chapters 25-26).
@Rocket:
The land finally enjoyed its Sabbath rest, lying desolate until the seventy years were fulfilled, just as the prophet had said.
Until the seventy years were "fulfilled". Until the 70 years were completed - as in the 70 years had already begun. The "servitude" spoken of by Jerimiah started before the destruction, and continued during exile, until it was finally "fulfilled". And when it was finally completed, Babylon was brought to account. That's the Biblical order. It matches history well. It doesn't match WT chronology.
But the Land was FAR from desolate, there is evidence that groups lived in the land all through the time the of the Babylonian Exile. To live there, they had to Farm to support themselves, hardly "desolate".
MeanMrMustard
Scholar has been arguing for the WT's chronology on this site for years, probably decades. He rarely comments on any other topic.
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Correct:: decades of experience
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Given the directness of the statements at Jeremiah 25:11-12 (and others), it is granting him a lot of latitude to say he is "mistaken". More accurately, it is a delusion.
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So what is your interpretation for you cannot ignore the plain reading of the texts so delusion is in your mind.
scholar JW
Phizzy
But the Land was FAR from desolate, there is evidence that groups lived in the land all through the time the of the Babylonian Exile. To live there, they had to Farm to support themselves, hardly "desolate"
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That is not what Jeremiah foretold for the land was to be without an inhabitant as also confirmed by Ezra a later historian and the historian Josephus.
scholar JW
False, the Bible clearly and unequivocally describes the 70 years as a Period of Exile or as many historians describe this period of Jewish History as the 'Exilic period'. Refer Rainer Albertz.
Okay, let's see what Rainer Albertz has to say... Israel in Exile by Rainer Albertz, page 81:
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MeanMrMustard
Until the seventy years were "fulfilled". Until the 70 years were completed - as in the 70 years had already begun. The "servitude" spoken of by Jerimiah started before the destruction, and continued during exile, until it was finally "fulfilled". And when it was finally completed, Babylon was brought to account. That's the Biblical order. It matches history well. It doesn't match WT chronology.
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Gibberish: The 70 years was fulfilled at the ending of the 70 years marked by the return of the Jewish Exiles in 537 BCE The servitude began with the beginning of the Exile with the Jews being deported to Babylon for no other theory or viewpoint makes any sense. Babylon was already brought to account with the release of the Exiles after its Fall in 539 BCE and its eventual desolation as foretold by Jeremiah.
scholar JW
Jeffro
Okay, let's see what Rainer Albertz has to say... Israel in Exile by Rainer Albertz, page 81:
Finally, an appeal to scholarship only after the said scholar gives you a source so why sit down and read the entire his 461 pages. LOL!! Please look at the title of the book, Rainer does not refer to Exiles- plural but Exile- singular so one Exile which he describes as a 'catastrophe'. Further, he refers to deportations but only ONE major Exile which harmonizes with the biblical texts of the 70 years and other books of the OT including Lamentations.
scholar JW
pseudo-scholar:
Please look at the title of the book, Rainer does not refer to Exiles- plural but Exile- singular so one Exile which he describes as a 'catastrophe'.
Hahahahaha. Yes, pay no attention to the actual content of the book that completely contradicts the Watch Tower Society's deluded chronology. Just look at one word from the title that pseudo-scholar likes. 🤣
Further, he refers to deportations but only ONE major Exile
Duh. The major exile occurred in early 597 BCE. Perhaps pseudo-scholar has forgotten that after that initial major exile, "No one was left behind except the poorest people of the land" (2 Kings 24:14).
pseudo-scholar:
Finally, an appeal to scholarship only after the said scholar gives you a source
hahahahaha. Don't try to pay lip service to scholarship, pseudo-scholar. Albertz provides exactly the same information for the Neo-Babylonian period as the timeline I've previously provided. The fact is, my own independent analysis is sound on its own merits and consistent with the scholarship you pretend to respect. You reject scholarship and cherry pick at single words that you imagine to be in support of your position though even the briefest analysis shows that to be a lie.
