Jesus Believed In Adam and Eve

by Parker 95 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Phizzy

  We keep getting people claim that Jesus "believed" this or that. Remember, the Gospels are 90% Fiction, nobody can know for sure what he said, and certainly not what was in his mind if he did utter the words. He may have been referring to the various Stories, Adam and Eve, The Flood etc in an Allegorical sort of way, but probably it was more like Midrash, a common way of using Scripture in later times than his, but not unheard of. With Midrash, the stories are brought up to the time of the people listening, often changed in many ways, to suit the situation of their time.

  I would hardly think they viewed the stories as 100% literal truth, or they would not have used them in the way they did. We need to get in to the contemporary minds of the time when the Books are written, and know how they would have viewed, and used, what they heard, not read back far later ideas from our time in to what was written.

  100% Bible Literalism has a short History, from the late 19th Century to the present, started as an opposing view to the Textual Scholars who were by then showing more about what the Texts really said, and what the Writers meant.
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  cofty

  Hello GodBeliever welcome to the forum.

  It is a scientific fact that the universe is 13.4 billions years old and that life arose on earth around 3.5 billion years ago. Humans have been around for at least 200,000 years.

  These are not things we can sensibly have our own opinion about; they are certain facts. You need to start working on a theology that takes account of reality.
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  cyberjesus

  Welcome to the forum. Theres no evidence that Adam, Eve and a talking sneak existed... neither that Jesus then man and later a zombie existed.
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  EverApostate

  Jesus believed in Adam and Eve story - so it should be true, is like saying that Comic hero Superman believed in the Greek god Zeus, so Zeus is true
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  waton

  If he came " to bear witness to the truth" was the co-creator of all, you would think it would be a priority for him to set things straight, leave that kind of a fact- based legacy.

  It would have have been a good time to contradict flat-earthers , like satan, and say: I could not possibly see China, India, you know that. ( to have a mental picture, the 2 would not have to climb an usually high mountain", expanding their horizon.
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  sir82

  JW never thaught that was done in six literal days. It was actually six days of 7000 years each.

  This is interesting.

  The "each creative day lasted exactly 7000 years" idea has not appeared in print for over 30 years. It was taught in Gilead classes as recently as 15 years ago, but in any event, it is not at all a current JW teaching. They are now purposely vague about each day's length, and I've even seen printed references accepting the age of the universe as 13-14 billion years.

  So our new poster seems to be an "old school" JW, or at least was raised by old school JW parents.
  
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  cofty

  Waton - I think that is an important point that is easily missed. Whatever we might think about any wisdom attributed to Jesus of the gospels he never actually said a single word that could not have been known by anybody living in his time and place.
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  Mr.Finkelstein

  The Jesus god of the bible was a elaborated mythological story created decades after this figure lived.

  Most likely what the Jews of the time said about him was true that he was Yeshua a rabbi/teacher who may have taught and preached about the coming Messiah and from out of that he himself was eventually mythologized as the real Messiah.

  The character of this god was devised as such to promote peace, love and empathy for others, a god that was going to rid humanity of all its enduring perils including death.
  

  This is the reason why this god was adopted and promoted for so long with all of those advantageous and appealing aspects toward mankind..

  Common sense would dictate that if he was the real Messiah (son of god) and performed all those miracles, that the leaders of the Hebrews would have done something much more when this figure was captured by the Romans and documented it as well.

  There is no question or doubt that this god was the most humanistic god ever imagined and propagated in human history.
  
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  GodBeliever

  Yes, I was raised be old school parents and I not interested in any literature which was written after the late 40s early 50s when it was decided to change course and JW to become a religion.
  
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  GodBeliever

  But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.