Jehovah's Witnesses Are Under Mind Control

by minimus 207 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mr Lebowski
    Mr Lebowski

    Membership in any group is contingent on playing the game by their rules.

    If I went on TV as a member of the Sierra Club and started advocating drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge, I'm pretty sure that the Sierra Club would boot me to the curb pretty publicly. True, the Witnesses get a little obsessive-compulsive about it.

    I think a fascinating question is "What need within ourselves was served by being a witness? Why did it eventually stop being enough to keep us in it?"...(Hey! A new topic!)

  • minimus

    The BIG difference is that JW's are told and DO believe that they ALONE have the truth. With that belief comes responsibility. Sincere JW's are the easiest to control. They also want to get the word out that true belief is NECESSARY to save others' lives. NOTHING can compare to that.

  • Mr Lebowski
    Mr Lebowski

    Every Christian group short of Unitarians believe that they only have the truth (as do many of my Sierra Club friends, but that's another story).

    The Society is very rigid, autocratic, hierarchical, dogmatic, and nearly fascist in their approach.

    They are thoroughly non-democratic - they are manipulative, emotionally coercive, and ruthlessly conditional in their acceptance of humans.

    They seem to place little value on human life or on the priceless wonder that every human should inspire.

    But I'm not ready to call that "Mind Control"... there are a lot of names I will call it, but many of them are not suitable for a family newspaper.

    Gotta cook dinner - love and doughnuts to all,

    The Dude

  • minimus

    Hey Dude, after reading your assessment of the Society and the effect they have on people, I thought for sure, you were coming my way. But one way or another, the truth is that 99% of the rest of the religions are not as CONTROLLING as JW's. Yeah, JW's are controlled, whether they know it or not.

  • garybuss

    My core beliefs were like an operating system on a computer. I was raised by Witness parents and taught Witness behavior and law right along with the abc's and 2 plus 2 equals 4. I was hard wired. Was that mind control? No. It was education. Was it good education? No!

    The will and wishes of the Corporation is the only subject the Witness people study in the context of that group. Can they take in other information in addition to that supplied be the Corporation? Yes! Do they? Many, maybe all do. Even though I take in that information, do I have to act on it? Nope! I only act on it if I make the decision to act.

    If Witnesses were under the kind of mind control some here indicate, none of us could have left. Records indicate that hundreds of thousands of us do leave and stay away when booted out. We do that by decision not by program. The same free will that we used to leave is available to all Witnesses. Being a Witness is more like having a job working for a large corporation than belonging to a religion.

    To understand something, take it out of context. The Catholic Church uses all of Lifton's Eight Criteria for thought reform. Are the Catholic people under mind control. I belive they are not. The question is, how are the Witness people different from other people in society? I say they are not. Some are deluded, some are flexible, some are rigid, some are superstitious, but they are no more so that other people in society voluntarily participating in a fundamental religion.

    Manipulation is a separate issue. Because one is manipulated does not mean that one is under hypnosis. That's a whole different subject. GaryB

  • Mr Lebowski
    Mr Lebowski

    I always love seeing the phrase "...the truth is..." on any discussion board, but on a JW discussion board? Priceless! :)

    (I'm assuming you started the thread to hear others' points of view, and not just to start the blood-in-the-water piranha-feast of the first few pages...;)

    I'm curious, m... do you see active JW's as legally competent? I ask, not as a smart-aleck, but because the definition of adulthood I mentioned earlier could come into play. I think that the Society actively attempts to prevent JW's from thinking or behaving as competent adults. There are some interesting definitions of adults and juveniles in this document.

    I remember a Heinlein story where he posits that the term "juvenile delinquent" is a contradiction - a "juvenile" is by definition not capable of being responsible, and "delinquency" is a lack of responsibility. I think it was Starship Troopers (the book doesn't suck, btw).

    Well, gotta take a shower 'fore the guests arrive...boy, dinner smells good.

  • minimus

    Do I see active JW's as legally competent? Some active Catholics are legally competent as well as some JW's too, I'm sure..... On a discussion board, I assume that there are some truths that are undeniable, yep, even on a DB.....If the Society actively attempts to prevent JW's from thinking or behaving as competent adults, they are trying to exercise some form of mind control......Certainly, some that have been under mind control have left their situations. And I'm not just referring to JW's. Look at those that were involved in different cults over the years. A number COULD leave, even if it was difficult because they were under some mind control.....And I do believe that there are a number of Roman Catholics that are under mind control.

  • heathen

    I'm with ya there minimus .I believe they are under mind control . You have to believe that the roman catholic church is the only true religion to be roman catholic . Whatever the pope says is church law whether or not it makes any sense . I don't think it's as bad as the WT control tho because they don't expect everybody to participate in preaching ,they don't even care if you show up to mass . It seems tho that these religions like to demonize other religions as part of the mind control .

  • undercover

    I find it interesting that we have 3-4 varying opinions expressed here. There are disagreements among us on what we think is true or what we believe is happening. This is a good thing. Hearing varying viewpoints gives me something to think about. It helps me to reason and consider more than one viewpoint. Can a JW do that? Can a car load of JWs in service discuss, disagree and debate about whether a world wide flood did or did not take place? Can they discuss, disagree and debate about whether Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 or 587? Can they discuss and debate doctrine? I think we know the answer to that one.

    Information is controlled. Open discussion and debate is not tolerated. Questioning and doubting are considered signs of weakness. To me that is a control issue. They are attempting to control what you think, what you believe, how you will treat others. It's not "mind control" like in a B-grade science fiction movie.

    Yes, most religions do this in some form or another. Some are more controlling than others. But those religions are interested in controlling its members. Religion is a cult.

  • minimus

    Undercover------Excellent post!!!!

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