I think it's interesting that minimus started the thread with the statement, "Jehovah's Witnesses are under mind control", but Randy's link to the thread from freeminds.org is headlined "Are Jehovah's Witnesses under mind control?".
Since I didn't take responsibility to make sure I was addressing the actual topic of the thread, I was participating in an incorrect fashion. I though that a question had been asked. It hadn't - I was wrong. Minimus made a statement - minimus did not ask a question. Lots of people agreed with it, some didn't. The statement used a term which minimus never defined (my research shows a number of different definitions for the term "mind control", and the first one I Googled is included below), and so the discussion, while spirited, has consisted mainly of a lot of emotional reactions to the words "Jehovah's Witnesses" and "mind control" being in the same sentence.
Since I don't agree with the statement, then minimus referring to it by saying "some truths are undeniable" is interesting. It's a discussion board. We're discussing it - that's what the board is for. And using statements like "some truths are undeniable", while undoubtedy personally true for you, minimus, don't seem to support the purpose of a discussion board - unless minimus wasn't looking for discussion of a question, but was instead looking for people to agree with a statement. (Bah - now I'm starting to sound like a wanker.)
It seems safe to say that, regardless of the definition of "mind control", most of the posters here want it to apply to JW's.
Mind control is the shaping of a person's attitudes, beliefs, and personality without the person's knowledge or consent. Mind control employs deceptive and surreptitious manipulation, usually in a group setting, for the financial or political profit of the manipulator. Mind control works by gradually exerting increasing control over individuals through a variety techniques, such as excessive repetition of routine activities, intense humiliation, or sleep deprivation.
I would state that Witnesses consciously agree to change their attitudes and beliefs, and that the manipulation is overt, without the use of the techniques listed here. To me, that truth is undeniable. However, I'm still interested in discussing it, as long as we can agree on what "mind control" means for the purposes of this discussion. Rigid, oppressive techiques were used by Stalin in ruling the USSR, but that didn't qualify as mind control either. The lack of freedom of expression, or of freedom of speech, or of freedom of dissent, does not constitute mind control. Doesn't make it nice, right, or good - but it's not mind control.
I think the raising of kids as JW's (as GaryB referred to earlier) is an interesting topic, and one that probably merits another thread.
Professor Brain had spent his life in search of the truth - so he could place it under house arrest. Robert Anson Heinlein
My religion is very simple. My religion is kindness. The Dalai Lama.
The Dude, out.