INSANE last days speculation in 10/2019 WT

by neat blue dog 66 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • FedUpJW

    We will need to show our loyalty by supporting these brothers and by following their God-given direction.

    So the gibbering boobies are not inspired and can make mistakes in doctrine and organizational matters, but these second class "leaders" are the ones that god will whisper in their ears? Yeeaaah...I don't think so!

    Are the WT / GB trying to provoke Govts. into reacting to their rhetoric of whats to befall R&F JW`s in the very near future fulfilling their own prophecy ?

    That is what typical bullies do. Provoke the fight and then claim THEY are the victim. Seen that way too many times for it to be coincidence.

  • blondie

    That sign is amazingly stupid. So jws will know when the GT starts when they see that sign? (It is interesting to me that the statement on that sign does not pop up on a search of the WOL)

    Hasn’t the WTS already said peace and security was announced in 1986?

    Kingdom Ministry 2/1986

    The True Peace book takes note of the declaration by the United Nations that the year 1986 begins special efforts by world leaders toward ‘peace and security.’ Referring to this declaration, the True Peace book says: “This, no doubt, is a step toward the fulfillment of Paul’s . . . words. . . . Yet the prophecy shows that the time will come when the nations will declare that they have achieved a measure of ‘peace and security.’”​1 Thess. 5:3.

    Notice how in 2013 the WTS backs away from the words in 1986:

    For example, in 1986, the United Nations sanctioned a highly publicized International Year of Peace. That year, leaders from many nations and religions joined the head of the Catholic Church in Assisi, Italy, to offer prayers for peace.

    11 However, neither that proclamation of peace and security nor others like it have been the fulfillment of the prophecy recorded at 1 Thessalonians 5:3. Why not? Because the foretold “sudden destruction” has not yet occurred. (Is that a circular self-serving statement?)

    And here in 2004:

    In recent years (18 years ago is recent), politicians have often used the phrase “peace and security” (examples please) to describe various human schemes. They even dubbed 1986 the International Year of Peace, although that year did not live up to its name. Do such efforts by world leaders constitute the complete fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 5:3, or was Paul referring to a specific event of such dramatic proportions as to claim world attention?... Since Bible prophecies are often fully understood only after they are fulfilled or are in the process of fulfillment, we will have to wait and see.

    But in 2019 now it is yet to happen?

    · w19 September pp. 8-13 Armageddon Is Good News!

    The proclamation of “peace and security” precedes “Jehovah’s day.” (Read 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6.) At 1 Thessalonians 5:2, “Jehovah’s day” refers to “the great tribulation.” (Rev. 7:14) How will we know when that tribulation is about to begin? The Bible tells us about a most unusual proclamation. It will serve as a signal announcing the great tribulation.

    That will be the foretold proclamation of “peace and security.” Why will world leaders say that? Will religious leaders participate? Possibly. Nevertheless, the proclamation will be just another demon-inspired lie.

    ​to cause a coalition of nations to turn on Jehovah’s servants. (Rev. 16:13, 14) That coalition is called “Gog of the land of Magog.” (What has the WTS said about who Gog of Magog is?)

    Here is a backtracking statement of the WTS in 2015:

    For a number of years (how many years in the WOL 1953-1993), our publications (passive, actually the active should say, the GB) have explained that Gog of Magog is the name given to Satan the Devil after his ouster from heaven. This explanation was based on the fact (so has the “fact” changed?) that the book of Revelation identifies Satan the Devil as the leader of the worldwide attack on God’s people. (Rev. 12:1-17) So it was thought that Gog must be another prophetic name for Satan.

    Who, then, is Gog of Magog? To answer that question, we need to search the Scriptures to find out who attacks God’s people. (so why did the Bible not reveal that to them earlier?) The Bible speaks not only of the attack by ‘Gog of Magog’ but also of the attack by “the king of the north” (for some time the GB (WTS) has said that the king of the north was not identified) and of the attack by “the kings of the earth.” (Ezek. 38:2, 10-13; Dan. 11:40, 44, 45; Rev. 17:14; 19:19) Do these represent separate attacks? Not likely. The Bible is no doubt referring to the same attack under different names. Why can we draw that conclusion? Because the Scriptures tell us that all the nations of the earth will be involved in this final attack that prompts the war of Armageddon.​—Rev. 16:14, 16.

    When we compare all these Scriptural references about the final attack on God’s people, it becomes evident (why was it not evident before this?) that the name Gog of Magog refers, not to Satan, but to a coalition of nations. Will this coalition be led by the figurative “king of the north”? We cannot say with any certainty (but the GB did before).

    But who is referred to as “Gog and Magog” at Revelation 20:8?

    During the final test at the end of the 1,000 years, those who rebel against Jehovah will manifest the same murderous attitude as ‘Gog of Magog,’ those nations that attack God’s people at the end of the great tribulation.

    It seems fitting, then, that all those rebels at the end of the Millennium be called “Gog and Magog.”

    As keen students of God’s Word, we wait with eager anticipation to see who in the near future will assume the role of “the king of the north.” (KON)

    Who has the GB said is the KON?


    There can be no doubt that the modern-day “king of the north” is the Communist bloc, headed by the Soviet Union.

    (This was the case pre-1981 until 1993 when the GB said the KON could not be determined (why? Because the Soviet Union was dissolved in 1991)


    Who who is the king of the north now? Is he to be identified with one of the countries that were part of the old Soviet Union? Or is he changing identity completely, as he has a number of times before? We cannot say. Who will be the king of the north when Daniel 11:44, 45 is fulfilled? Will the rivalry between the two kings flare up again? And what of the huge nuclear stockpiles that still exist in a number of lands? Only time will provide the answers to these questions. (But is does not stop the GB from speculating on the identity)

  • Pete Zahut
    Pete Zahut

    So the billions of people around the world who practiced a religion, went quietly into the night, without so much as a whimper? Despite the ban on religion and what would likely be a major global upheaval with court battles, riots, imprisonments and deaths, JW's somehow practice theirs even though it's apparently common public knowledge which is made evident by the statement that acknowledges that there will be those who resent them for continuing to worship.

    If it's common knowledge that JW's are still practicing their religion, the government apparently isn't cracking down on them much and if they are, the JW's aren't doing a very good job of being secretive.

    It's also ridiculous to see in that picture, those evil yet clean cut and nicely dressed worldly people, who after the major global upheaval that would have taken place, have the luxury of of sitting around in a plush coffee shop and that a bulletin consistent with JW lingo (Peace and Security Proclaimed) is being displayed on multiple flat screen televisions similar to the ones that have recently been installed at the Kingdom Halls. If anyone actually was "proclaiming" peace and security, they'd simply proclaim it....they wouldn't use the word proclaimed while doing so.

    The Boys back east have been cooped together in their compound out in the country too long now and are becoming more and more delusional. I think being headquartered in New York City was the only thing that was keeping them somewhat grounded in reality.

    Reading this nonsense in black and white and seeing that accompanying cultish picture has got to be a wake up call for some of the more intelligent ones remain in that Organization.

  • BluesBrother

    Actually, this kind of writing was more common back in the day. The old books used to climax in this sort of stuff . I read nothing new in it although it is unusual these days to see it .

    We used to love getting “ready for the persecution “


    I agree with FedUpJW. The GB are giving it their best guess, yet once they are raptured the Dubs have to follow the direction of the “Helpers” who follow...???

    Are the GB leaving a secret playbook? Is the Flock book or its replacement the new Bible??

    DD 🤔

  • neat blue dog
    neat blue dog
    there are still 20.000 heavenly warriors on earth according to the statistics

    Yeah but remember that WT says most of them are mentally ill.

  • asp59

    I think they just reprinting stuff from times when they think org was lead by holy spirit. Only new information last 30 years been over lapping stuff. Wounder why have a GB IF you gonna re print eveything

  • Tenacious

    Typical message to keep the R&F in fear working their little butts off for their salvation. They need to keep instilling fear into the members so they can keep it fresh in their minds and keep them busy with "Satanic Kingdom interests" doing more for the governing maggots in NY.

  • sir82

    This is so laughably stupid I don't know where to begin. JWs have such a strong need to be the center of the

    universe, of all prophecy etc. that they have to write fiction like this about literally being the "center of . . .


    I've heard from more than one "old school" CO that the primary reason that World War 2 was fought, was that it was "Satan's attempt to stamp out the organization".

    And of course, World War I was a "diversion" to draw attention away from the commencement of "Christ's invisible presence".

    As others have noted, they're all a bunch of narcissistic nitwits.

  • Anna Marina
    Anna Marina


    You were wondering about the GB - I can tell you I have it on good authority that it is old news to them that 1914 is wrong.

    Now ask youself - what kind of person deliberately misleads so many people? You are either a coward or worse. The Bible states that cowards will not inherit God's Kingdom - so its not the best feature to have developed in your character if you are seeking approval from Jesus Christ.

    Maybe they are Nihilists - but whatever they are they sure ain't Jehovah's Witnesses, they are play acting.

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