WoMD ... so where are they?

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  • dubla
    dubla

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    youre not actually simon posting under a different handle, are you? its amazing that you two have the exact same faulty logic on this issue........have you read my posts to him? basically im just going to repeat myself here yet again, but here we go......

    showed pictures of WMD, but they had been cleared...when? Before the war?

    yes before the war....as a matter of fact, he even specifically said that inspectors had been to the sites after they had been cleared! is this hard to grasp? have you even read the u.n. documents, or are you just regurgitating what youve heard?

    If they were cleared before the war then there were none to get so why invade.

    like simon, you are confusing cleared or "cleaned" with destroyed. to clean up a site simply means to move the chemicals out, and bulldoze the evidence.......the chemicals get moved, not destroyed. do you understand the difference? if no one knows where they were moved to, how could they give specific coodinates on the current location? they cant, and they never pretended to.......youre trying to twist his presentation into something it wasnt.

    If he showed WMD that had to be destroyed then they must have been current pictures or that would be lying wouldn't it?

    like i said, inspectors have been to the site after the pictures were taken.....powell said this while showing the photos. please read the documents for yourself, i think itll help.

    aa

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    I don't think Simon would be too pleased comparing me to him...LOL

    I listened to the Powell presentation and he insisted that the satelite photo's were of WMD in-situ and they were the excuse to go in.

    He never said that they were pictures of sites that had been 'cleaned up' by the Iraqi's.

    He used a dodgy tape recording perporting to be an Iraqi soldier talking about removing WMD from a site...totally fakeable.

    In fact ALL the 'evidence' was dodgy and it was realised as such virtually straight away.

  • dubla
    dubla

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    you mustve listened to an edited version of the report then. heres an excerpt from the presentation powell gave....please not the bold/italic portion at the bottom:

    Let's look at one. This one is about a weapons munition facility, a facility that holds ammunition at a place called Taji. This is one of about 65 such facilities in Iraq. We know that this one has housed chemical munitions. In fact, this is where the Iraqis recently came up with the additional four chemical weapons shells.
    Here you see 15 munitions bunkers in yellow and red outlines. The four that are in red squares represent active chemical munitions bunkers.

    How do I know that? How can I say that? Let me give you a closer look. Look at the image on the left. On the left is a close-up of one of the four chemical bunkers. The two arrows indicate the presence of sure signs that the bunkers are storing chemical munitions. The arrow at the top that says "security" points to a facility that is a signature item for this kind of bunker. Inside that facility are special guards and special equipment to monitor any leakage that might come out of the bunker. The truck you also see is a signature item. It's a decontamination vehicle in case something goes wrong. This is characteristic of those four bunkers. The special security facility and the decontamination vehicle will be in the area, if not at any one of them or one of the other, it is moving around those four and it moves as needed to move as people are working in the different bunkers.

    Now look at the picture on the right. You are now looking at two of those sanitized bunkers. The signature vehicles are gone, the tents are gone. It's been cleaned up. And it was done on the 22nd of December as the UN inspection team is arriving, and you can see the inspection vehicles arriving in the lower portion of the picture on the right.

    The bunkers are clean when the inspectors get there. They found nothing.

    He never said that they were pictures of sites that had been 'cleaned up' by the Iraqi's.

    um, he didnt? er, please explain the above then...im confused?

    I listened to the Powell presentation and he insisted that the satelite photo's were of WMD in-situ and they were the excuse to go in.

    this is a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. powells presentation WAS NOT "the excuse to go in".........the reason to "go in" was that saddam had not fully complied with res.1441, which called for military action. powells presentation was simply a last ditch effort to unite the security council, it was not, in any way shape or form, the primary reason/evidence given to support the invasion. there was a mountain of evidence before powell ever spoke to the u.n., which is why ive always stated that my personal belief that there are wmd in iraq has never been due to anything powell said.....his report is really secondary to the years of lies and dancing by saddam and company. the proof was there long ago.

    aa

  • Jayson
    Jayson

    D. They are screwing with you. You already hashed this in great detail presenting reality as opposed to sensationalism and opinion. They ignored you then and they will ignore you now. I think we would have better luck and time better spent trying to get a tree to listen to ALL the facts and not rush to judgment than to carry on here. I tried to present facts, they were ignored and I was insulted and useless fighting was the end result. I even attempted putting forward all sides. That was also ignored. The minds of some were made up before this thread was started. They are right we are wrong case closed. Remember they are the judge. As the saying goes you can only lead the horse to water. (let it go)

    T H your impeach banner means that no one should take anything you say serious. It is nothing more than pathetic propaganda aimed to start a fight. But I guess it suits somes tastes here so I'm sure it will be allowed stay up.

    Search I have yet to watch Panarama but I will.

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    Weapons of mass destruction: we cannot let them get away with it

    25 May 2003

    Where are Iraq's weapons of mass destruction? On 18 March, Tony Blair made what was regarded at the time as one of the best and most important speeches of his political career. Opening the historic debate in the Commons on the eve of the war against Iraq, Mr Blair focused almost entirely on the dangers posed by Saddam Hussein's weapons. The speech is worth revisiting because the superficially persuasive arguments deployed then are in such astonishing contrast to Mr Blair's evasiveness now.

    Labour MPs challenge Blair over Iraq's WMDs

    By Andy McSmith, Severin Carrell and Paul Lashmar

    25 May 2003

    Tony Blair is facing growing political pressure to explain the mystery of Iraq's missing weapons of mass destruction. With no solid evidence yet that there are any chemical, biological or nuclear weapons in occupied Iraq, more than 70 MPs, including 53 Labour MPs, have signed a Commons motion challenging him to prove his claim that they were ever there in the first place.

    Britain's participation in the invasion of Iraq is to be condemned as illegal by eminent international lawyers at a conference in London next weekend. The conflict raised two issues, said Professor Philippe Sands QC, a member of Cherie Booth's Matrix chambers. "First, did the Security Council authorise the use of force, and the answer to that is no. And were we misled about the presence of weapons of mass destruction? Apparently, yes."

    In the US the CIA has begun an inquiry into whether its intelligence was faulty, but it is not thought that MI6 will do the same. Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman, wants intelligence chiefs to be made to answer to Parliament as other senior civil servants have to.

    Just two articles from the Independant this week regarding the Weapons of Mass Disappearence!

  • searchfothetruth
    searchfothetruth

    An article by Robert Fisk...New Zealand Herald

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    Robert Fisk: So what was the war for?


    18.05.2003

    LONDON - More than 50 dead in a week. Thanks for the Iraq war.

    Thank you, Mr Bush and Mr Blair, for making our world safer by ridding us of the one tyrant - Saddam Hussein - who never had any connection with 11 September 2001, or with the Riyadh bombings or with the bombings in Casablanca.

    The "liberation" of Iraq was supposed to free us from the bombers of al Qaeda. So said Mr Blair. So said Mr Straw. Could you talk to us, please, Messrs Blair and Straw? What was Iraq for? No, we don't have any "claim of responsibility" for the Casablanca massacre, but the nature of the cold calculation behind the Casablanca bombings is sufficient.

    One suicide bomber kills himself by blowing open the doors of the Jewish community centre. Then his surviving comrade blows himself up inside. Weren't the Jews - like the Christians - "people of the Book", honoured by Islam? But then - and there's always a "but then" - wasn't Morocco a "friend" of the West, a country that has resorted to torture again over the past year in its pro-American battle against "terrorism", yet another country in which human rights have taken second place to President Bush's war on terror?

    Osama bin Laden always said that his intention was to overthrow "the corrupt monarchies of the Arab world". It was Saudi Arabia at the beginning of the week, Morocco at the end. So, back to the point. Ten suicide bombers killed the innocent of Casablanca - that's more than half the total killers of September 11, 2001. And only five days after al Qaeda struck Riyadh.

    Was it not President Bush who boasted to us of how America had struck a devastating blow in the "war on terror" in Iraq? Was it not Vice-President Cheney who informed us that al Qaeda was reeling from America's bombardment of Afghanistan? Was it not Defence Secretary Rumsfeld who would have us believe that half of al Qaeda's leadership was eliminated - either through capture or murder (let us speak frankly) at America's hands? So take a look at the terrain.

    Afghanistan is in a state of anarchy, its pathetic government scarcely ruling over Kabul. Iraq is in an even more incipient state of anarchy, largely without electricity, money or petrol. And this is a war of good against evil?

    Casablanca is a sorry and pertinent page in the history of America's folly in the Arab world. So what comes next? More boasts by President Bush that he is winning the "war against terror" or more claims - yes, he told you so - that the "war on terror" is eternal? Heaven spare us all.

    - INDEPENDENT

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  • Realist
    Realist

    i have another question:

    WHERE IN THE WORLD IS HUSSEIN???????????????????

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    Saddam is currently travelling around the American mid-west in a Winnebago full of WoMD.

  • Realist
    Realist

    LOL

    thats what i thought

    bush should better be careful!

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Even pro-american Bill O'Reilly is waiting for the answer, where's the WoMD? Who's being conned?

    Guest 77

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