France is a "Pain in the Ass"

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  • Xander
    Xander

    i think iraq is a threat to alot of countries, including the u.s.....simply because they are lead by a genocidal madman.

    Indeed, and if 'led by a genocidal madman' is a good reason to go to war with someone for being a threat, well don't you think North Korea is a BIGGER threat? Or, China? Or, hell, pretty much ALL of middle Africa? And while you're at it, Israel and the rest of the Middle East?

    if by "direct threat" you mean immediate, as in we need to take care of this by spring or else, no i dont believe that.

    Well, it's good thing you clarified this. Because it looked like you were coming off in defense of a war with Iraq that DOES look like it will be 'by spring', or, at least, this year.

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    UN-Realist,

    You are confused about who has the largest standing army. Vietnam has the worlds largest standing army. Over 10 million people under arms. In 1991 Saddam had the 5th Largest Army.

    You said,

    well and the attacks of the arabs were retaliations for israeli attacks which were retaliations for arab attacks and so on and so forth.

    this damn state should never have been founded there in the first place...the jews should have been given kansas or ohio...then the whole damn problem would not exist.

    i still think it is understandable of the arabs to fight for there land...no matter if it was originally occupied by the turks, or if they had a declared state etc. the whole middle east was arabic. and it was an idiotic idea to put isreal there. at least the way it was done was terrible.

    Ummm, what attacks by Israel? Israel was trying to live peacefully within the borders settled upon at the end of the 48 Arab Israeli war.

    Why shouldn't the state of Israel have been founded? Lets see, only 6 million of them had been murdered in WWII. No country came to their aid or accept them as immigrants to save them from this horror. You're right, let the damn Jews suffer.

    IT WASN'T ARAB LAND. The Turks owned it. The Land the Jews were on up until 1948 was land they paid for.. There has ALWAYS been a Jewish presence in the middle east. Sorry, your story doesn't fly. I'm not buying. Most of the so called "Palestinains" aren't from what is now disputed territory. Arafat himself is Egyptian, not Palestinian. This is the problem. The Arabs chould have chosen to live peacefully with the Jews and prosper, as the Israelis have. They instead chose to hate and kill.

  • dubla
    dubla

    xander-

    Indeed, and if 'led by a genocidal madman' is a good reason to go to war with someone for being a threat, well don't you think North Korea is a BIGGER threat? Or, China? Or, hell, pretty much ALL of middle Africa? And while you're at it, Israel and the rest of the Middle East?

    i said that made him a threat, not that it was a sole reason to go to war......your word twisting abilities are impressive. yes north korea is a threat, and im sure one we will deal with in time. look, the u.n. inspectors wouldnt be in iraq if the world didnt consider saddam one of the first priorities right now. who knows, maybe we will be having this conversation about china at some point. you screaming about all these other countries that fall into some of the same categories as iraq doesnt make iraq any less of a threat.

    . Because it looked like you were coming off in defense of a war with Iraq that DOES look like it will be 'by spring', or, at least, this year.

    since we are getting down to it, and ive never really said what my views on immediate war are, here you go. am i in defense of war with iraq? yes. do i think it needs to be rushed? no..........but in the end, if saddam is taken out of power, regardless of the means, itll be a good thing imo.

    aa

    Edited by - dubla on 24 January 2003 13:18:46

  • Crazy151drinker
    Crazy151drinker

    Realist,

    I have some doubts about some of the members on your 'hit-list'

    Manuel Noriega? Harldy, he was buddies with Bush Sr. back in the CIA

    Charles Degaul?? Hardly.

    Now the Rest of the Slime, sure why not. Why is it so bad that we got rid of Che?? Dude was trying to start a commie revolution with the help of Castro! OHHH NO, lets not get rid of him

    Kim Duck Dong?? If we had succeded we wouldnt have had the KOREAN WAR nor would we have our current problems with his stupid son.

    Are saying we shouldnt have assasinated/attempted to assinate Neo-Nazis?????

    Would you like to display a list of people assasinated by other countries??? How about the MILLIONS of civilians Stalin killed.....

    Yes, we are evil, but the lesser evil by far..............

  • Realist
    Realist

    Yeru,

    the land was occupied by the turks. but it was inhabited by arabs.

    as we haved said previously ...in 1900 there were only 15000 jews in the region...a minority of the population.

    jews as well as arabs used violence against each other already in the 30ties.

    in any case...prior to the war arabs constituted over 50% of the population.

    after massacres on arabs many fled the area so the area became mainly jewish.

    so with all due respect i find it understandable that arabs feel mistreated.

    also i did NOT say that jews shouldn't have their own state...but it should have been created in Australia or the US and not in the arab region. then the whole problem would not exist.

    Palestine's Population Distribution Per District In 1946

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    As of 1914, the Palestinian Jewish population (who were mostly persecuted European Jews) was under 8% of the total population who owned under 2% of the total land. Despite active British assistance in settling more European Jews, in 1947 Jews constituted only 33% of the total population.

    Settled population, excluding the nomadic Bedouins, by town and sub-district estimated as of 31st December, 1946. The below table was directly extracted from Supplement to Survey of Palestine (p. 12-13) which was prepared by the British Mandate for the United Nations in 1947.

    LocalityTotal*MoslemsJews*ChristiansOthers
    Urban894,570328,810447,840115,9801,940
    Rural950,990747,970160,39029,08013,550
    Total1,845,5601,076,780608,230145,06015,490
    Percentage100%58.35%32.96%7.86%0.84%

    Galilee--Acre District:

    Safad Sub-district56,97047,3107,1701,630860
    Percentage100%83.04%12.58%2.86%1.5%
    Safad12,6109,7802,400430---
    Villages44,36037,5304,7701,200860
    Acre Sub-district73,60051,1303,03011,8007,640
    Percentage100%69.47%4.17%16.03%10.38%
    Acre 13,56010,930502,49090
    Villages60,04040,2002,9809,3107,550
    Tiberias Sub-district41,47023,94013,6402,4701,420
    Percentage100%57.73%32.89%5.96%3.42%
    Tiberias 11,8104,9906,03078010
    Villages29,66018,9507,6101,901,410
    Beisan Sub-district24,95016,6607,59068020
    Percentage100%66.73%30.42%2.72%0.8%
    Beisan 5,5405,080---44020
    Villages19,41011,5807,590240----
    Nazareth Sub-district49,91030,1607,98011,770----
    Percentage100%60.43%15.99%23.58%----
    Nazareth 15,5406,290----9,250----
    Afula2,470102,460--------
    Villages31,90023,8605,5202,520----
    LocalityTotal*MoslemsJews*ChristiansOthers
    Haifa District:
    Haifa Sub-district253,45095,970119,02033,7104,750
    Percentage100%37.86%46.96%13.30%1.87%
    Haifa145,43041,00074,23029,910290
    Hadera 7,590----7,57020----
    Shafa 'Amr3,7401,380101,590760
    Villages96,69053,59037,2102,1903,700
    Samaria District:

    Jenin Sub-district61,21060,000----1,210----
    Percentage100%98.02%----1.98%----
    Jenin 4,3004,150----160----
    Villages56,90055,850----1,050----
    Nablus Sub-district**94,60092,810----1,560230
    Percentage100%98.1%----1.9%
    Nablus24,66023,740----690230
    Villages**69,94069,070----870----
    Tulkarm Sub-district**93,22076,46016,18038020
    Percentage100%82.02%17.36%0.41%0.21%
    Tulkarm 8,8608,560----28020
    Natanya 5,290----5,290--------
    Villages**79,07068,08010,890100----
    LocalityTotal*MoslemsJews*ChristiansOthers
    Jerusalem District:

    Ramallah Sub-district48,93040,520----8,410----
    Percentage100%82.81%----17.19%
    Ramallah5,180660----4,520----
    Villages43,75039,860----3,890----
    Jerusalem Sub-district253,270104,460102,52046,130160
    Percentage100%42.24%40.48%18.21%0.63%
    Jerusalem 164,44033,68099,32031,330110
    Bethlehem 9,1402,630----6,49020
    Beit Jala 3,740200----3,540----
    Villages75,95067,9503,2004,77030
    Hebron District:
    Hebron Sub-district93,12092,64030017010
    Percentage100%99.48%0.32%0.18%0.01%
    Hebron 26,39026,220----16010
    Villages66,73066,42030010----
    LocalityTotal*MoslemsJews*ChristiansOthers
    Lydda District:
    Jaffa Sub-district409,29095,980295,16017,790360
    Percentage100%23.45%72.11%4.35%0.09%
    Jaffa101,58053,93030,82016,80030
    Tel Aviv 183,200130182,510230330
    Petah Tiqva 18,16014018,01010----
    Villages106,35041,78063,820750----
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    Ramla Sub-district134,03095,59031,5905,84010
    Percentage100%71.31%23.57%4.36%0.07%
    Ramla 16,38012,910----3,470----
    Lydda 18,25016,250201,97010
    Rahavot 10,350----10,33020----
    Rishon le Zion 8,790----8,790--------
    Villages80,26067,43012,450380----
    Gaza District:
    Gaza Sub-district150,540145,7003,5401,300----
    Percentage100%96.78%2.35%0.86%
    Gaza 37,82036,760----1,060----
    Majdal 10,90010,810----90----
    Khan Yunis 12,35012,310----40----
    Villages89,47085,8203,540110----
    Beersheba Sub-district***7,0006,27051021010
    Percentage100%89.57%7.28%3%0.14%
    Beersheba 6,4906,270----21010
    Villages510----510--------

    Source: Supplement to Survey of Palestine (p. 12-13) which was prepared by the British Mandate for the United Nations in 1946-7.
    Note that ALL Jewish towns were almost exclusively Jewish populated as a result of the segregationist policies of Zionist leaderships (Yishuv). Such segregation and apartheid policies were facilitated by the British Mandate which affected all sectors of the society, such as housing, landownership, education, finance, political parties ... etc.
    * Revised de facto estimate.
    **Revised figures, according to sub-district boundaries 1946.
    *** Doesn't include the nomadic Bedouins who were estimated in other studies to be close to 100,000 Palestinians, many of whom were resettled in Ramla after the 1948 war.

    Crazy,

    as far as i know noriega was first an ally and later got on the shit list. the US bomb panama to get the guy.

    i am not sure about de gaulle...i know roosevelt and churchill tried to get rid of him during WWII. i don't know if the CIA actually tried to eliminate him later (in 1975 the chicago tribune had apparently a front page report about the CIA plan to eliminate de gaulle after he had ousted US military stations from france territory).

    some of the guys certainly were not a big loss for humanity.

  • Perry
    Perry

    Damn Realist,

    I thought you converted to Judahism.

    Shalom

    Palestinians have no unique culture, no language known as Palestinian, and are indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians or Iraqis for that matter. In fact, the term was given to the region by Rome after a smashing blow was delivered to in 70AD. This was merely a psychological attempt to erase the Jewish culture and identity by naming it after a people who the Jews conquered centuries before. By the time of the Jewish revolt and the Roman victory, the Philistines had long been extinct as a people.

    So why is there no outcry when Britian created other nations in the post war years of 1919? According to the UN mandate principle of paragraphs 1 and 2 of ARTICLE 22 OF THE COVENANT OF THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS:

    1. To those colonies and territories which as a consequence of the late war have ceased to be under the sovereignty of the States which formerly governed them and which are inhabited by peoples not yet able to stand by themselves under the strenuous conditions of the modern world, there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples form a sacred trust of civilization and that securities for the performance of this trust should be embodied in this Covenant.

    2. The best method of giving practical effect to this principle is that the tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources, their experience or their geographical position can best undertake this responsibility, and who are willing to accept it, and that this tutelage should be exercised by them as Mandatories on behalf of the League.

    The region was made up of little more than waring tribal entities. Britian choose the mose capable of them and made them nations, plain and simple

    before the first WW the territory was inhabited almost exclusively by arabs. it is as much a sovereign territory as egypt, jordan etc..

    Not true.

    "Still, Jews persisted in Jerusalem , even numbering around 40,000 by the turn of the 20th century, while arabs numbered only around 7000." - Travel Guide To Palestine and Syria, published in 1906 by Karl Baedeker. The book also says, "The number of Jews has risen greatly in the last few decades in spite of the fact that they are forbidden to immigrate or to possess landed property."

    The reality is that the Arabs poured into Israel after the 1967 war when they took care of business in a very surprising crushing defeat over several invading Arab nations. The irony is that the quality of life and degree of freedom was better for Arabs in Israel than in many of their their native countries. Only then did we start hearing about Israeli bigotry and how Jerusalem was Islams holiest of cities. It was all propaganda. If Jerusalem was so damn holy to them, why werent there more of them there?

    During that war, a

    ccording to official records of the League of Nations and Arab census figure 539,000 Arabs left Israel at the urging of 7 converging Arab armies so that they would not be in the way of their attack. They promised the fleeing Arabs they would return and move into the Jews' houses after the anticipated successful annihilation of the Jews.

    We know that 850,000 Jews were ejected from the Arab countries where they had lived for hundreds of years. This included successful people whose property and assets, including community assets were immediately confiscated. 750,000 penniless Jews from Arab countries fled to Israel.

    This was a virtual exchange of population. The Jewish refugees were immediately accepted by the new State of Israel. They were provided with shelter (albeit temporary tents) food and clothing.

    The Arab refugees who had migrated to various Arab nations were not similarly well received. They were regarded not as Arab brothers but as unwelcome migrants who were not to be trusted. - Emanuel A. Winston, a Middle East analyst & commentator

    An honest review of history reveals that the British made the best choice about who was most qualified to govern Israel (palestine). Doubtless other bedouin tribes got left out of the leadership role in their territories than became sovereign nations. Why then are they not hollering and screaming about the loss of their supposed sovereignty?

    Simple.... religious bigotry by the Arabs. Arab nations have left the Palestinian people to suffer and to foster hatred toward their government because of a cultural difference.

    The "Palestinian" leadership has been playing the same shell game that Saddam has been playing, saying one thing and doing another. They make agreements with Israel and then continue to blow up women and children with bombs and scream oppression when Israel acts to protect its national interests. The Arabs want to destroy Israel....end of story.

    I have absolutely no respect for Arafat and his murderous campaign of terror on the Jewish people, especially after he rejected the land for peace deal that Clinton helped broker at the last summit at Camp David.

    the solution would be to remove the settlements from arab territory and give the palestinians their long deserved state. if they would continue to attack israel than israel could close the borders as they do already (including a wall around the arab territories)

    They have already attempted to do this several times. Next suggestion?

  • JH
    JH

    Another proof that France is a Pain in the Ass

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=45333&site=3

  • Realist
    Realist

    Shalom Perry,

    your b aedeker numbers contradict the numbers published by the BBC which are based on the only taken survey around that time (15000 jews 500 000 arabs).

    the question is then how baedeker came up with his numbers?!

    We know that 850,000 Jews were ejected from the Arab countries where they had lived for hundreds of years. This included successful people whose property and assets, including community assets were immediately confiscated. 750,000 penniless Jews from Arab countries fled to Israel.

    we know this from the jewish world congress? or who else published these numbers?

    Palestinians have no unique culture, no language known as Palestinian, and are indistinguishable from Jordanians, Syrians or Iraqis for that matter.

    they are still human beings with a right to live on the land of their ancestors are they not?

  • Yerusalyim
    Yerusalyim

    A right to land they didn't own. A right to land which most of them immigrated to in the last 100 years? I'm still confused about where you're getting this info about Jews massacring Arabs?

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