welcome to the board.
i am new
i must admit that some of the actions of those in the k.h. hindered my love for Jehovah but i discovered that you do not have to be in His service to love Him or for Him to love you. i have been inactive for about 11-12 yrs yet i still love Jehovah in my heart and i know that He still loves me.
<“The prophets guided the nation til Christ">
HHMMMM????? I was taught by the WT that the
people were guided by Judges (rutherford too?) and
they later wanted to have King's just like every
othe Pagan country. Jah said that would not be
such a good idea. The peeps went on a rant so
Jah (changed his mind?) and gave them King's,
read here more diaster.
Also I was taught that the profits (sic) were there
to WARN the peeps of all the bad things that were
going on and that Jah would judge these "organizations"
adversley, and this all came to pass. Thus the profits
were the "spokesmen" , individuals who formed the
"opposition party" as it were. Something that today
would get you a one ticket to purgatory!!!
< Before the death of the last apostle, it was made
clear that Christianity would be facing tough times ahead.”>
I agree that this clearly happened. So who was the "spokesman"
in 101AD. 307AD, the Pope, Constantine? 1492? 1799? 1879???
1914? 1925? 1935? 1941? 1951? 1975??? (i was there) 2000??
I was taught that the mark of a profit/spokesman (individuals)
would be the truthfullness of their WARNINGs!! (sorry to yell).
IMVHO it seems that the profits were always "ranting" about the
current admin. goverment, king, blah blah blah. So much so
that they were often killed for these warnings. Try to warn of
ANY inaccuracy, simple mistake, or worse, coverup and you too
will be "killed", as in consigned to death (df'd), by your brudders,
family, friends, business associates.
The "stones" would cry out HIS message. Jah is very organized,
as the beautiful universe shows, but certainly does not need an
"organization" and the 6,000 yo track record seems to completely
show what folly organizations are. Please read what CT Russell
siad about this subject,.
Man 'o man am i on a rant here. Starting to feel better tho. whewww.
love to all, thanks for your comments Chris.
Do we know each other??
(of the very unorganized class)
First thing's first. I also welcome Mr. Knight & do not intend nor wish to draw away the attention from him. It actually came as a surprise to me that my notes seems to get mixed & various reactions, evoking emotions at times, when the welcome on hand should be directed to Mr. Knight.
can you explain 'spokesman' as you understand it? the reason being, i'm not too sure of how you view it. 'spokesman' is a person who speaks in behalf of others or a group, a mediator, a go-between. so if they're just individuals representing Jehovah, who are they supposed to mediate in between?
also, Jerusalem fell twice.
if the line of channel used by Jah can't be proved clearly as claimed & therefore, no organization, how would one call Jesus' organizing his apostles & the early Christian congregation to do the ministry? without organization?
also, it's a free country, free expressions. if it's merely man's work, it will fail for sure. but if it's Jehovah's work & backing, it will prevail.
about your question, i think i mentioned who was involved in my reply to Prisca before. an elder.
appointment before was done democratically but now is done theocratically.
as to Christianity facing tough times, true, apostasy was explained by Jesus in his illustration of the wheat & weeds. It was seen at work already while the last apostle, John, still lives & at his death, it has grown full blast.
not dismissing 1700 yrs. as claimed but trying to keep remark concise in view of time & space allotted
about Jesus being a 'spokesman', Jesus is called 'the Word' & note pls. what he says of himself in prayer to Jah: "the sayings that you gave me I have given to them, & they have received them & have certainly come to know that I came out as your representative, & they have believed that you sent me forth". [Jn 17:8] Representative=spokesman
how would one carry out the preaching work? individually without direction? out of random?
'congregations flourished' as in grew in numbers & over the years despite bitter persecution, not 'flourished' as in attain to human perfection from personality flaws
as to apostles arguing who's the greatest, etc. Recall how they were selected? Jesus spent whole night in prayer to Jah before choosing of 12. True, this was prior to the pouring out of the holy spirit as claimed but Jesus' choosing is not entirely without guidance by it. I believe this is in the 4 Gospels.
you're not obligated to agree with me, no one is. neither am i with you. 'Free will' as granted from above.
i guess specifics is what you're asking? kings were commanded to make a copy of the Law by hand; priests, scribes, Levites, etc. were to explain the Law to the people; & prophets were sent to remind the people frequently when the first two deviated
the warnings given by Jehovah through the prophets all came true. some of which still reaches & affects our time.
you mean you were yelling? oh, i see. might not be good for your general health.
I too saw the elders, servants and pioneeers get put on pedestals. Especially the pioneers. And they put love and kindness secondary, but organizational acheivement, primary.
“not dismissing 1700 yrs. as claimed but trying to keep remark concise in view of time & space allotted”
Let me understand this,
Jesus ministry lasts 3.5 years and the apostles for all intensive puposes are gone by 100.
Russel starts in the late 1800’s and you see this interupption as a time of great apostasy.
SOunds like great death to me or end, finite , done....... not even CONNECTED.
and just for the record. If Russel were here today , he could not be part of JW because his teachings were contrary to the JWS. SO then how do you just have this seemless thread when there isn’t one.
Take the time!
Jhn 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
"the sayings that you gave me I have given to them, & they have received them & have certainly come to know that I came out as your representative, & they have believed that you sent me forth". [Jn 17:8] Representative=spokesman
Chris Please consider looking at another bible version, if you will hang your hat on one word, perhaps you should consider the qualifications of the men that wrote the translation you are loyal to. BTW you never answered if you felt the HS is involed withthe GB or the appointment of elders.
“how would one carry out the preaching work? individually without direction? out of random?”
WHO WAS COMMANDED TO PREACH, and what were they to preach”
“as to apostles arguing who's the greatest, etc. Recall how they were selected? Jesus spent whole night in prayer to Jah before choosing of 12. True, this was prior to the pouring out of the holy spirit as clai="5but Jesus' choosing is not entirely without guidance by it. I believe this is in the 4 Gospels.”
So is this suppose to mean that since he chose them ,they were MADE INSTANTLY PERFECT.....
why did he promise the HOLY SPIRIT THEN
Jhn 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Jhn 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
I got to go