okay here is where I got my info
Michael Brown verdict discussion policy
by Simon 254 Replies latest forum announcements
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TheSilence
That article has cherry picked facts. As one example i notice it showed the footage of officer Wilson after the incident purportedly to skew the idea of no damage even though the video is not clear to prove that, but it only mentions the video of ghe robbery Michael brown was involved in shory before the incident that clearly shows him strong arming and bullying a store clerk who confronts him. Just one example of the cherry picking in that article.
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TheSilence
Also, the same witnesses who said he was surrendering g and may have had his hands up... I notice the article doesnt point out that the same witnesses also said he was shot in the back... Which even the autopsy done by the family proves to be false. So it's already proven that these witness statements are not complety accurate.
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TheSilence
It says the police clashed with demonstrators using rubber bullets and tear gas. It doesn't mention the looting, rioting, destruction of property, or the fact that the police were having bottles and rocks thrown at them at times. Nor does it mention the peaceful protesting that was allowed to go on without conflict that I, myself, have witnessed.
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skeeter1
Until newspapers and society can choose to look at the full facts and not cherry pick, they are choosing to live a delusional life. Delusion cannot solve problems.
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Simon
Many 'news' sources are focused too much on only telling their readers or viewers a narrative that suits their opinions rather trying to educate and possibly challenge those opinions.
They also put too much effort into dramatising events to make them more controversial or entertaining. More viewers / readers = more money.
Re: the "knew he was unarmed". This is not really the big deal its made out to be and doesn't mean guilt. The issue is whether he was aggressive and threatening, not whether he had a gun or not (though that would raise his threat level). A 6'4" 300lb 18 year old man whose already attacked you is more of a threat than say a 5' 125lb 60 year old woman. Simple common sense really.
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DesirousOfChange
whose already attacked you
I'm glad it was said not to use perjorative wording that is opinionated.
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Simon
It seems far fetched in the extreme to imagine that the officer decided to attack not only a 6'4" 300lb man but also someone who had a friend with them as well ... by hand. All the evidence and basic common sense suggests that he was attacked by MB.
But we can make it "whose already faught with you".
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designs
When you call for backup you wait for backup. This tragedy could have been avoided with a little plain talk.
A man suffering from a delusional episode was riddled with gunshots from Officers in Los Angeles recently.
We need to find a better way. We look like a ridiculous militarized police force in the eyes of the more progressive countries who don't have these stats.. They found a better way.
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Simon
When you call for backup you wait for backup. This tragedy could have been avoided with a little plain talk.
It depends on the situation. If it's an armed gunman in a house with a hostage then yes, probably. Maybe he was waiting for backup and intended to keep them talking but MB attacked him - both accounts seem to suggest it happened before the officer even had chance to get out of his vehicle so who exactly "didn't" wait?
Of course MB had lots and lots of opportunities to avoid this tragedy too. Claiming it's the officers fault for not waiting for backup is rediculously biased IMO.
Are you saying that whenever the cops deal with a black kid they should get backup and have overwhelming numbers on their side? Is that what you are suggesting is the correct way to police? Please be clear and think things through.
A man suffering from a delusional episode was riddled with gunshots from Officers in Los Angeles recently.
Whether this is excessive or not depends on the specifics of the situation and each case should be examined and investigated. We could equally quote cases of police being shot while on duty or other crimes. It doesn't prove any point.
We need to find a better way. We look like a ridiculous militarized police force in the eyes of the more progressive countries who don't have these stats.. They found a better way.
So you think officer wilson was a militarized policeman? You do know that the police response was *after* the incident don't you? MB wasn't threatened by a tank.
Other countries don't have guns and such a dysfunctional society. They allow the discussion and debate that are needed to be had and sensible political discisions to be made. The US is just red vs blue shouting over everything. Really, if you can't make *any* decision after classrooms full of primary school kids are massacred then there is something seriously wrong with people.
But all countries have armed police and militarized equipment, the difference is in when and how they are deployed. If there are riots and widespread unrest they need to be able to control it and protect the public without putting themselves at excessive risk.
Do you ever see riot police called out 'for the fun of it'? It tends to be in response to some situation.
Also, excessive force has been used with national guard killing people with just regular rifles, shooting on demonstrators. It's not the equipment per se, it's what you do with it and the decisions that are made.
While people are bemoaning the initial police response in ferguson, lets not forget that there were people firing guns and throwing rocks and bottles at them. Would you go confront a mob of rioters and looters with a t-shirt and some strong words? No - so don't tell other people to do it.