Does consciousness end with the death of the body

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  • Perry

    Humans were created in the image and likeness of God, a tri-partite being. Man's spirit is eternal. He was created to eternally be in fellowship with God. A person CANNOT cease consciousness, no matter how much a person may want to. (Body yes, but

    It is man's spirit that is in God's image. Man's body was formed from the dust, but his spirit (or inner man) was breathed into him by God. Genesis 2:7 says: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul". From this verse we have the picture of Adam's lifeless body being formed from the dust, God breathing life into his nostrils, and the body then coming to life.


    When we die our spirit leaves our body. James 2:26 says "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." The spirit does not go out of existence when it is separated from the body in death, but returns to God who gave it Ecclesiastes 12:7 says; "Then shall the dust (body) return to the earth as it was: and the spirit (life) shall return unto God who gave it." This verse not only defines death as the separation of the body from the spirit, but it also shows that man's spirit is eternal , it does not go out of existence at death, but returns to God.

    Notice also the description of Rachel's death. "And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin." --- Genesis 35:18 Jehovah's Witnesses teach that there is no difference between the soul and body, They claim that both are mortal and go into the grave together. The description of Rachel's death however clearly shows that the soul and body are not the same thing. Rachel's body was lifeless, but at death her soul left her body.

    The death the widow of Zarephath.'s son and his revival gives further insight into the soul of man. This young man was raised miraculously from the dead by Elijah. 1 Kings 17:21-22 describes this miracle. "And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again. {22} And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived."
    We notice here that it was the same soul that left him at death and returned to him at revival. His soul therefore did not go out of existence. The person that Elijah resurrected from the dead was the same person that was alive before death. It was not another soul that was given to the lifeless body, but the same one as was conceived in the widows womb through the union of her and her husband. If the soul became extinct at his death, this would be impossible.


    This may seem like a contradiction in terms, yet the Lord Himself plainly explains that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were still alive even though they were dead. He said "And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? {27} He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err." --- Mark 12:26-27. This was the Lord's answer to the Saducees who did not believe in life after death. What plainer proof could be given for the immortality of the soul than these verses. Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were all dead (in their graves) when Jehovah declared Himself to be their God. Although they were departed from this world, their spirits continued to live. Jehovah could not be the God of extinct persons.

    The Lord also taught the immortality of the human soul in Matthew 10:28 --- "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Tertallion, an ancient writer rightly said of this verse "Here we have recognition of the natural immortality of the soul, which cannot be killed by men"


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  • Quendi

    Consciousness ending at death is one of the few Witness teachings I have kept. I now attend a church where most believe otherwise but we don't argue about it. Rather we expect the right of others to hold their own opinions on this point.


  • Perry

    Interesting article in Psychology Today:

    Consider the famous two-slit experiment. When you watch a particle go through the holes, it behaves like a bullet, passing through one slit or the other. But if no one observes the particle, it exhibits the behavior of a wave and can pass through both slits at the same time. This and other experiments tell us that unobserved particles exist only as ‘waves of probability' as the great Nobel laureate Max Born demonstrated in 1926. They're statistical predictions – nothing but a likely outcome. Until observed, they have no real existence; only when the mind sets the scaffolding in place, can they be thought of as having duration or a position in space. Experiments make it increasingly clear that even mere knowledge in the experimenter's mind is sufficient to convert possibility to reality.

    Many scientists dismiss the implications of these experiments, because until recently, this observer-dependent behavior was thought to be confined to the subatomic world. However, this is being challenged by researchers around the world. In fact, just this year a team of physicists (Gerlich et al, Nature Communications 2:263, 2011) showed that quantum weirdness also occurs in the human-scale world. They studied huge compounds composed of up to 430 atoms, and confirmed that this strange quantum behavior extends into the larger world we live in.

    Importantly, this has a direct bearing on the question of whether humans and other living creatures have souls. As Kant pointed out over 200 years ago, everything we experience – including all the colors, sensations and objects we perceive – are nothing but representations in our mind. Space and time are simply the mind's tools for putting it all together. Now, to the amusement of idealists, scientists are beginning dimly to recognize that those rules make existence itself possible. Indeed, the experiments above suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. The results not only defy our classical intuition, but suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.

    "The hope of another life" wrote Will Durant "gives us courage to meet our own death, and to bear with the death of our loved ones; we are twice armed if we fight with faith."

    And we are thrice armed if we fight with science.

  • MadGiant


    You only used one source to backup your claim.

    With all due respect I have a few questions.

    1. How reliable is the source?
    Isn’t the Bible full of contradictions and discrepancies? And doesn’t this prove that it is unreliable and untrue?

    The New Testament was filled with legends and myths about "Jesus Christ" that were written by his followers generations after "he lived", so how could any of the information be accurate?

    How do we know that the writers of the New Testament didn’t deliberately lie about their account of Jesus Christ: his "person", his "miracles", and his "resurrection?"

    2. Have the claims (eternal soul) been verified by another source?
    Have you ever talk with someone who is dead?
    Is that even possible?
    How does the claim (eternal soul) fit with what we know about how the world works?

    3. Do your personal beliefs and biases stir you to this conclusions, or vice versa?


  • designs

    From a guy whose religion doesn't believe in the effects of industrial pollution on the planet he brings up "science" and tries to make a case for the christian soul, takes Kant out of context and let's see doesn't address the multiple beliefs within Judaism about Olam Ha-Ba.

  • frankiespeakin

    Does a television stop working when you turn it off? What happens to the picture? Where did it go it it is not there any more? Same type of dumb questions that the author of this thread asks about consciousness.

    SO now we need to discern what happens to consiousnes where does it go

  • Perry

    Did the universe give birth to mind? Or, does mind direct the universe?

    How else are we to understand the implications of the two slit experiments?

    See Robert Lanza's work

  • designs

    You thought of Jesus therefore he exists, you thought he had blond hair therefore he is Max Von Sydow.....

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