Atheists, here is a 'balls' question ---even for all---

by prologos 224 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    Prologos you have said a few times that you are 90 years of age. Is this not true?

    He has mentioned several time that he was "pushing 90" and then said that wasn't true then claimed it was. It's a sad attempt to setup a specific idea of who he is and, when caught, back pedal and hope no one remembers. He also claimed to has a 2 year old daughter (and discussed her menstrual cycle, creepy), then said she wasn't two, now she is again.

    talking about POPULAR SCIENCE, the magazine, one of the highlights in my life, when, out of the blue, they featured one of my out-of-the-box thinking idea in a half-page spread.

    Citation required.

    Take my orbit spacing observations.

    Be honest, please, and no further lies. You tried to claim certain spacings, they were proven wrong, you claimed others, I corrected your math and now you are trying to claim the math I showed as what you observed.

    Stop lying. It's embarassing and no one respects a man that can't stand by his words.

  • prologos
    prologos

    vivian: consider please, this might turn out to be an

    "UDDER non-sense" call, not

    utter, the kind male's kind.

    on lying, "citations required" to popula[rized] science:

    you know ttatt is a "kindergarten-teacher class" demand.

    all such citations will carry a name, address, features that would be

    breaking rule 9 to say the least and how about

    rule 1: insulting language,

    4: libel ?

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    You've been proven wrong and lazy time and time again, got caught lying and won't own up to any of it. Is there any reason as a poster you should be respected?

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    twich, I have been working FROM the astronomical tables, that were available in libraries, -[no need (or ability)* to post them]- and later from data available on line of asteroid and TNO orbits, all i did was found the hidden patterns, regularities sequences in the distances, the means, the excentricities. all amazingly related, no doubt caused by the the natural laws.

    * remember my technical handicap: pushing 90, and pushing a 2 year old daughter in the stroller.

    Right, sorry, I forgot.

  • prologos
    prologos

    For galaxies with nearby companions, astronomers have suggested that tidal forces may draw out spiral structure. However, for isolated galaxies, another mechanism is required in which galaxies form these structures without intervention from a neighbor. A possible solution to this was first worked out in 1964 by Lin & Shu in which they suggested that the winding structure is merely an illusion. Instead, these arms weren’t moving structures, but areas of greater density which remained stationary as stars entered and exited them similar to how a traffic jam remains in position although the component cars travel in and out. This theory has been dubbed the Lin-Shu density wave theory and has been largely successful. Previous papers have reported a progression from cold, HI regions and dust on the inner portion of the spiral arms, that crash into this higher density region and trigger star formation, making hot O & B class stars that die before exiting the structure, leaving the lower mass stars to populate the remainder of the disk.

    One of the main questions on this theory has been the longevity of the overdense region. According to Lin & Shu as well as many other astronomers, these structures are generally stable over long time periods. Others suggest that the density wave comes and goes in relatively short-lived, recurrent patterns. This would be similar to the turn signal on your car and the one in front of you at times seeming to synch up before getting out of phase again, only to line up again in a few minutes. In galaxies, the pattern would be composed of the individual orbits of the stars, which would periodically line up to create the spiral arms. Teasing out which of these was the case has been a challenge.

    To do so, the new research, led by Kelly Foyle from McMaster University in Ontario, examined the progression of star formation as gas and dust entered the shock region produced by the Lin-Shu density wave. If the theory was correct, they should expect to find a progression in which they would first find cold HI gas and carbon monoxide, and then offsets of warm molecular hydrogen and 24 μm emission from stars forming in clouds, and finally, another offset of the UV emission of fully formed and unobscured stars.

    The team examined 12 nearby spiral galaxies, including M 51, M 63, M 66, M 74, M 81, and M 95. These galaxies represented several variations of spiral galaxies such as grand design spirals, barred spirals, flocculent spirals and an interacting spiral.

    When using a computer algorithm to examine each for offsets that would support the Lin-Shu theory, the team reported that they could not find a difference in location between the three different phases of star formation. This contradicts the previous studies (which were done “by eye” and thus subject to potential bias) and casts doubt on long lived spiral structure as predicted by the Lin-Shu theory. Instead, this finding is in agreement with the possibility of transient spiral arms that break apart and reform periodically.

    Another option, one that salvages the density wave theory is that there are multiple “pattern speeds” producing more complex density waves and thus blurs the expected offsets. This possibility is supported by a 2009 study which mapped these speeds and found that several spiral galaxies are likely to exhibit such behavior. Lastly, the team notes that the technique itself may be flawed and underestimating the emission from each zone of star formation. To settle the question, astronomers will need to produce more refined models and explore the regions in greater detail and in more galaxies.

    Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/86056/testing-the-spiral-density-wave-theory/#ixzz2yXkODy3i

    vivian here is one of many articles from more reliable sources than prologos logic that shows that is the disk matter that moves, the arms are staionary, like

    the tides, they are ~stationary, the water moves, with the rotaion of the earth.

    does that help you?

    help anyone learn something new?

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    vivian here is one of many articles from more reliable sources than prologos logic that shows that is the disk matter that moves, the arms are staionary, like

    the tides, they are ~stationary, the water moves, with the rotaion of the earth.

    does that help you?

    It helps me understand you still don't understand waves, tidal forces, what a standing wave is or understand what you cut-n-paste.

    Try again. Eventually you'll get something right by dumb luck.

  • prologos
    prologos

    For galaxies with nearby companions, astronomers have suggested that tidal forces may draw out spiral structure. However, for isolated galaxies, another mechanism is required in which galaxies form these structures without intervention from a neighbor. A possible solution to this was first worked out in 1964 by Lin & Shu in which they suggested that the winding structure is merely an illusion. Instead, these arms weren’t moving structures, but areas of greater density which remained stationary as stars entered and exited them similar to how a traffic jam remains in position although the component cars travel in and out. This theory has been dubbed the Lin-Shu density wave theory and has been largely successful. Previous papers have reported a progression from cold, HI regions and dust on the inner portion of the spiral arms, that crash into this higher density region and trigger star formation, making hot O & B class stars that die before exiting the structure, leaving the lower mass stars to populate the remainder of the disk.

    One of the main questions on this theory has been the longevity of the overdense region. According to Lin & Shu as well as many other astronomers, these structures are generally stable over long time periods. Others suggest that the density wave comes and goes in relatively short-lived, recurrent patterns. This would be similar to the turn signal on your car and the one in front of you at times seeming to synch up before getting out of phase again, only to line up again in a few minutes. In galaxies, the pattern would be composed of the individual orbits of the stars, which would periodically line up to create the spiral arms. Teasing out which of these was the case has been a challenge.

    To do so, the new research, led by Kelly Foyle from McMaster University in Ontario, examined the progression of star formation as gas and dust entered the shock region produced by the Lin-Shu density wave. If the theory was correct, they should expect to find a progression in which they would first find cold HI gas and carbon monoxide, and then offsets of warm molecular hydrogen and 24 μm emission from stars forming in clouds, and finally, another offset of the UV emission of fully formed and unobscured stars.

    The team examined 12 nearby spiral galaxies, including M 51, M 63, M 66, M 74, M 81, and M 95. These galaxies represented several variations of spiral galaxies such as grand design spirals, barred spirals, flocculent spirals and an interacting spiral.

    When using a computer algorithm to examine each for offsets that would support the Lin-Shu theory, the team reported that they could not find a difference in location between the three different phases of star formation. This contradicts the previous studies (which were done “by eye” and thus subject to potential bias) and casts doubt on long lived spiral structure as predicted by the Lin-Shu theory. Instead, this finding is in agreement with the possibility of transient spiral arms that break apart and reform periodically.

    Another option, one that salvages the density wave theory is that there are multiple “pattern speeds” producing more complex density waves and thus blurs the expected offsets. This possibility is supported by a 2009 study which mapped these speeds and found that several spiral galaxies are likely to exhibit such behavior. Lastly, the team notes that the technique itself may be flawed and underestimating the emission from each zone of star formation. To settle the question, astronomers will need to produce more refined models and explore the regions in greater detail and in more galaxies.

    Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/86056/testing-the-spiral-density-wave-theory/#ixzz2yXp2fkMO

    vivian, here it is, standing, stationary PRESSURE waves aka spiral galaxy arms, lokk at the other science sites on the subject.is that any help to you?

    anybody learn something new about the universal ball game? the strong arm of the pitcher? throwing a curve, spiral ball?

  • prologos
    prologos

    Solar System Scale Periodicities

    The solar sytem has two distinct scales, that of the inner and that of the outer planets. These distance scales each have corresponding solar periodicities. They each have characteristic types of planets and compositions and these compositions are also related to the distance scales and periodicities.

    Attempts to dismiss these suggestions as random coincidences have been made but when one examines the degree of correspondences between the many different measurements in different variables it is quite clear that the relationships are deep and meaningful. First, some of the reports of periodicities and relationships will be examined and then a summary will be presented and conclusions drawn.


    V. A. Kotov and S. Koutchmy

    "The discovery of global pulsations on the Sun with period Po = 160 min enables us to consider a characteristic wavelength for the solar system L = cPo = 19.24 a.u., where c is the velocity of light. The planetary distances show a statistically significant quasicommensurability between L and 2.p.ai for the inner planets or between 2.p.ai and L for the outer ones (ai is the major semiaxis of the orbit). This L commensurability leads to a new approach to the Titius-Bode planetary distance law. The physical mechanism responsible for this L commensurability in the solar system is evidently related to gravitational waves from an external source of unknown nature."

    A possible relation between planetary distances and the 160 minute solar pulsation


    The 160 minute oscillation has been found in the Sun and Active Galactic Nuclei.

    Publications of Vasily Ivanovich Haneychuk (many with Valery A. Kotov)

    "Solar Oscillations, Solar Mean Magnetic Field, Solar Physics, Instrumentation, Problem of the solar 160 min oscillation, Problem of 160-min oscillation in the Active Galactic Nuclei"


    Valery A. Kotov and Serge V. Kotov

    "According to General Relativity, a stellar binary generates gravitational waves at a primary frequency twice the orbital one; these waves however have not yet been detected. If the Universe contains gravitational radiation at discrete frequency(ies) - particularly with the period of 160 minutes discovered in the 1970s in the Sun, corresponding resonances might be found in the distribution of orbital frequencies of binaries. With this in mind, we analyse all available data on orbital frequencies of close binaries of the Galaxy. In the frequency range 5 to 160 µHz, we find one significant frequency 104.2 µHz - at the 4 sigma confidence level -which modulates the distribution of about 5000 binaries with periods P < 5.5 d. The corresponding "resonant" period, 160.0 +/- 0.5 min, coincides with that of solar pulsation 160.0 min. The question on its origin and also the hypothesis of a cosmological nature of the oscillation are briefly discussed."

    http://ray.tomes.biz/160min.html

    viviane here again is one of many and this has good graphics too, of serious science workers exploring the two source posiibly interference STANDING WAVES nature, origin of the .3 AU= 300 sec, diameter and

    the 9.6 AU =160 minute orbit diameter difference.

    possible solar and, galactic pulsations subtely interfering.

    There is more to the cosmos that you can teach at kindergarten level, and

    do not underestimate your contributors depth of knowledge.

    help!

    a hard dys night!

  • Twitch
    Twitch

    prologos

    RE density wave theory.

    It would seem that one study found no evidence supporting the theory and another is "likely" to salvage it if the team can fix the bugs in their method.

    To settle the question, astronomers will need to produce more refined models and explore the regions in greater detail and in more galaxies.

    Seems just a theory still and a ways to go before it's confirmed as law.

  • Viviane
    Viviane

    No one is impressed with you cutting and pasting things from some guys website that you don't understand. Hint, the period they mention isn't what you think it is.

    You're wrong, have been wrong, caught lying and stealing other peoples work and claiming it as your own. Please stop being a weasel and just man up and admit you were wrong.

    What you have pasted is something from just some guy's website from 1991 about a hypothesis that came to exactly nothing, because there was nothing to be found. In addition to a basic science education, you also need basic research skills. Stop grasping at straws.

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