| Flamegrilled |
Cofty Response |
Jgnat Response |
[Even as intelligent creation, we have limited information about our creator’s intentions, which might lead us to conclude that a natural disaster is bad. The analogy of inflicting temporary pain on a pet is used] post 104, p. 53
...since we can already conceive of circumstances under which such a conclusion would be false based upon limited information we cannot be certain that reaching such a conclusion would be true in this case. Post 149 p. 73 |
[Please limit your argument to natural evil] post 10686
I didn't grant that. I said that you can have a deity that lets a quarter of a million die in a tsunami. I was very clear that you cannot have a loving god that does so. Post 10798 p. 73 |
There is a reason surgeons use anaesthetic. To reduce pain and suffering is compassionate. Post 21928 p. 88 |
Evidence for a loving Christian God. Post 135.
But one thing is for certain. If there is a Christian God then He DOES have information that we do not have. Post 186 p.87.
Acknowledging that there are missing pieces to a puzzle does not make the entire thing a mystery.Post 202 page 94 |
Have you any suggestion, however remote or tentative,
what the missing information might be that would make god's obstensibly evil
act into one of pefect love? Post 10861 p. 86 |
you have also failed to provide those puzzle pieces
that have been filled. What are they? What former mysteries about God have been resolved? Are
they statements of faith? Statements of faith are not evidence. Post 21968 page 94 |
| [The assertion that humans have zero influence on plate tectonics] you have no possible way to support. Post 125, p. 60 |
Humans have had absolutely zero influence on plate tectonics. Post 10737
p. 60 |
Man and all his activities have no effect on plate tectonics. Post 21859, p. 61 |
Each analogy I have provided demonstrates a very specific point. Post 160 p. 79
Certain analogies very much help to simplify moral questions down to the core principles. Post 178 p. 84
[Your request for the big picture] It's an unreasonable request. The big picture is not succinct. Post 192 p. 89 |
I invited you twice yesterday to lay out the big picture. I said "the stage is yours". The only thing I asked is that you be succinct Post 10874 p. 89. |
Your analogies are weak. If you are painting different components of the mysterious larger picture, offer:
Analogy1 ---> represents this component of the larger picture.
Analogy2 ---> represents that component of the larger picture...and so on.
Otherwise, your offered analogies sniff like obfuscation to me. Post 21898 p. 80
I didn't say analogies were useless. I just said they are inferior. A + B = C is unambiguous. And always will be, much more than an analogy. Post 21910 p. 84 |
| I accept that this crudely describes the argument...it’s not …logical. Post 175 p.83 |
[You are using the “It’s a mystery” argument, sophistry.] Post 1686 p.
53 |
The picture is not clear. Got it. It's a mystery. Post
21937 p. 89 |
you feel so certain as to where humans are on the
sentience scale. Post 180 p. 86 |
No I feel so certain that I understand what love is. I also understand what Jesus said love was….It did not include drowning people. Post 10861 p. 86 |
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[There is no evidence that the tsunami is God’s failure.] fg post 127, p. 61
God is love therefore every act or lack of action taken in isolation must definable as an act of love. This is not necessarily true. Post 153 p. 77 Might there be a reason for inaction under the circumstance? You haven't proven that such a reason cannot possibly exist… post 179 p. 85 |
The tsunami is a defeat to the viewpoint of a Christian theist. Fg post 127, p. 61
[Passively observing the deaths of a quarter million people is not loving.] Post 10686 p. 53p. 53
Yes every act or lack of action must be perfectly loving even if it is not immediately obvious how it is loving…you are confusing what is loving with what seems loving in order to avoid the damning conclusion. Post 10823 p. 77 |
The answer I read from flamegrilled is, "not
necessarily true". As in, could it be part of a larger loving plan?... But what sense could come out of a natural disaster? What could humanity possibly
do to prevent a re-occurrence? Be more vigilant with our early-warning systems?
Post 21889 P. 79 |
Well this is part of the problem. Using 250K, as if the quantity multiplies up the evidence, is not logical given the matter under consideration. As I have stated many times whether it 1 person or 250K, it's still one question. Post 200 p. 94
if one person appears to be betrayed by God then it raises a question about whether God truly betrays people Post 201 p. 94 It's perfectly reasonable when a person's guilt has not been proven to refer to his or her crime as "alleged". Post 203 p. 94 |
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So if one person is betrayed by God, we can challenge His existence or His compassion? (If quantity does not matter). Post 21964 p. 94
You have a bias to maintain your belief in an all-powerful, all-loving God. Any evidence to the contrary therefore starts as suspect. The human witness will be grilled. Post 21968 p. 94
Then forever after I will refer to your alleged god. Post 21971 p. 94 |
