Why Eve sinned (WT 8/2013)

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  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Adamah brought up in another thread an issue I wasn't aware of, and I thought it merged well with something I've been pondering about. It revolves around the deeper reasons why Satan was successful in persuading Eve to eat from the forbidden fruit. Why was Eve persuaded to disobey God?

    On this weekend's WT study, on paragraph 11, the GB claims that a prominent reason was pride: "Satan thus suggested that Eve could gain independence from Jehovah. Pride was apparently a factor that caused her to accept the lie." Was it really a question of pride?

    Consider how Satan challenged Eve: "No! You will not die", the serpent said to the woman. In fact, God knows that when you eat it your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil". (Genesis 3:4, 5 Holman Christian Standard Bible)

    Now, we are usually focused on the portion of the argument "you will be like God, knowing good and evil." But, was Eve so naive that she believed that she could really be like God by simply eating a fruit? I don't think so. Therefore, I started thinking about the other portion of the argument: "Your eyes will be opened". How would Eve perceive this claim? After all, she wasn't phisically blind, was she? How come the promise of having her eyes opened made a compelling argument for disobeying God's command?

    Consider this hypothesis:

    Jehovah regularly communicated with Adam and Eve before their fall. It was no surprise, then, that they "heard the sound of the Lord walking in the garden in the cool of the day", looking for them. (Gen. 3:8) Since the Bible clearly states that "no one has ever seen God" (John 1:18), we can conclude that Adam and Eve never saw Jehovah, nor even a material representation of him. He was invisible to them. They probably felt his presence, and heard his voice, but no visual sight of him. Hence, Adam and Eve were aware that there was a spiritual world, but they were blind to this spiritual world that obviously existed around them. It was plausible that Eve developed a curiosity as to what was this world about. After all, God was from that invisible, spiritual world, and he was the source of wisdom and power. To access that spiritual world would mean access a higher level of wisdom and power.

    In other passages, the Bible uses the term "open eyes" to denote the impartation of power to perceive objects not otherwise discernible. (Genesis 21:19; 2 Kings 6:17, 18; Isaiah 35:5) So, the ambiguous statement of the Devil was perceived by Eve as a promise of not being blind anymore to the same spiritual world from where Jehovah originated from. By eating the fruit Eve would finally see into the spiritual world, as if stepping into the realm of Jehovah, and therefore be "like God", or "like the gods". (literally, 'like Elohim'). What does it mean to be "like God", in Satan's proposition? To 'know good and evil'. Satan was offering Eve a chance to access divinity status, with a super-human level of understanding and knowledge and decision-making power about moral rules. However, in typical Satan style, his oracle was ambiguous. He deceived Eve by letting her believe that the outcome for her would be to become god-like.

    This is why Eve started to look to the tree from a different prespective. "Then the woman saw that the tree was good for food and delightful to look at, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom.So she took some of its fruit and ate it; she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it". (Genesis 3:6 Holman Christian Standard Bible).

    Now, interestingly, the NWT omits a portion of this text. "Consequently, the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was something desirable to the eyes, yes, the tree was pleasing to look at." Notice the omission in the NWT of the reason why the tree was desireable: For obtaining wisdom. In the hebrew text, the word "le-ha´s-kîl" is present,and it means "to consider, to instruct, to give skillful, to teach" (Strong's). That I'm aware of, only the Douay-Rheims Translation chooses to omit this notion as the NWT does. Every other translation imparts the notion that Eve considered that eating the fruit would be means to "obtain wisdom". If this is simply incompetent translation or a deliberate attempt to obscure the motivations of Eve to eat the fruit, I can't tell.

    Now, why would God plant such a tree in Eden and then gave a command for the man and woman to not eat it? Was God purposedly putting a stumbling block in front of them? I'm personally persuaded that wasn't the case. (James 1:13) I think that at some point, Jehovah would allow the couple to eat the fruit of said tree, which meant to enter the spiritual realm. But this was to happen only when God decided it was time - not for humans to make that call. By doing so in disobediance to God, Adam and Eve sinned and fell from grace.

    After eating from the fruit, Satan's oracle did get a fulfillment, but in an unexpected way for the couple: "The eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked". (Gen. 3:7) They realized they have sinned, and their eyes were now opened to the reallity of evil, something they were previously unaware of. Indeed, Jehovah acknowledged that change: "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil". (Gen. 3:22) Jehovah and the other creatures in the spiritual realm were aware of "good and evil", namely, aware of the consequences of a sinful condition, poor moral choices. If evil didn't exist in heavens, how could the heavenly beings know about it? I'm persuaded that it was because they could see what the other Homo Sapiens that already pre-existed outside the Garden of Eden were doing. They could observe them, and know "good and evil" through them. Eve thought that she would get access to divinity status. Instead, what she got was to become just like the other human beings outside Eden that had evolved over millions of years and were not created directly by God in the same fashion as she and Adam were.

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  • cofty
    cofty

    to become just like the other human beings outside Eden that had evolved over millions of years and were not created directly by God

    So in your scenario why did god have two separate races of human - the evolved one and the created ones?

    What was the difference between the two groups?

  • EdenOne
    EdenOne

    Cofty,

    In this scenario, after creating other beings in the spiritual realm, God kickstarted the universe and the laws that govern nature and then let it roll, sort of speaking. He is the creator in the sense of being at the origin of it all, eventually having direct intervention at several phases of the evolutionary process (that's my take on the creative activity described in the 'creative days' of Genesis).

    In the course of millions of years of evolutionary process in this planet, a particularly successful species developed sufficient intelligence to rule over the planet. God took interest in this species, the Homo Sapiens, and both him and possibly other creatures in the spiritual realm began to interact with humans. Thus man began to realize the existence of a spiritual realm where divinities existed, and religion began. At some point, God must have decided that he wanted to give to humans the possibility to ascend to the spiritual realm, but they needed to be "prepared", in a way, to be made with a special spiritual bond towards God. This required the creation of a couple, in every way physically identical to the other Homo Sapiens, but that possessed this 'sonship' bond with God (the 'soul') that was absent from the other humans. In time, after this first couple would generate descendants and work to extend that special preserve, Eden, they would be given access to the spiritual realm by "eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge" and there live forever by "eating from the tree of life".

    That other humans pre-existed outside Eden already can be deducted by Abel and Cain being farmers and shepherds (how did they learn farming and cattle breeding?) practising sacrifices in an altar (how did they come up with that idea?) and Cain's fear of being assassinated (by whom? - his parents?) after he was ousted from the vicinity of the garden of Eden after killing his brother.

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  • Zoos
    Zoos

    That's interesting about le-ha´s-kîl. I've never heard of that. It helps explain Paul's comment that Eve was "thoroughly deceived."

    Curious why Douay-Rheims and NWT omits it.

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    "Now, we are usually focused on the portion of the argument "you will be like God, knowing good and evil." But, was Eve so naive that she believed that she could really be like God by simply eating a fruit?"

    Eve was a new human, only the second in existance. Why wouldn't she be naive? Why would she have ambition? Why had the god not realised that this species did not have any way of reproducing itself? Why hadn't they already had sex?

    Sometimes things don't make sense, simply because they don't make sense, not because we are stupid.

  • prologos
    prologos

    YY, an elaborate hypothesis, I have to sleep over it, here are some observations:

    it must have been an odd thing to hear Jehovah walking, but not see him, talking and not see him, of course as you said she wanted a cure for that.

    jehovah could not have been the CREATOR of the universe, since you said he ORIGINATED in the spirit realm. did he ever leave it?or is he not eternal? WITHOUT ORIGIN?

    WT writers in the past have mentioned that A&E would one day be allowed to eat of the Tree of LIfe, but it is possible that this is also the case for the Tree of knowledge, but were not laws sufficient to that end? a conscience?

    You seem to imply that both evolution and direct creation are true. the prehistoric human(oids) evolved, we were a direct creation? our whole ? or just our Humanity part? Does not the account say that the animls prior to their naming were a direct creation too?

    How could A&E see the other HOMO SAPIENS? peering over the fence? If so, would A&E see the death, primitive funerals? why would it be unusual for them to think they would not die too? particularly because they knew it was the tree of life that was needed for them not to die also?

    If this would be a high school paper dealing with the meaning of an ancient saga, we all would get good marks for originality.

    of course that all it is, an ancient saga.

    There is dna of prehistoric HS in us. we come in part from outside the fence. May be the fence was breached and the guys with the swords turned a blind eye, or seeing eye to that opportunity too, as the flood story tells.

    Pondering Puzzels is good for fighting dementia, enjoy.

  • zeb
    zeb

    Eden one:

    Most interestingmy thanks for your efforts.

  • transhuman68
    transhuman68

    The writers of Genesis may well have been aware that Adam & Eve were not the only people on earth at the time of the mythical Garden of Eden- they would have been aware of the much older cultures around them, such as the Egyptians with their immense pyramids- but Adam & Eve were the only ones who really mattered, as they founded the Jewish nation; and of course their god YHWH was Jewish too, as he observed the Sabbath. But YHWH- the Jewish god of the kingdom of Judah written about in 450 B.C. shouldn’t be confused with the Christian god described in John 1:18, almost 600 years later. YHWH was a human kind of god- walking on earth, appearing to Adam, Lot, and Abraham- and of course, other angels could appear as men too- as is written about before the Flood. But although gods could become human; humans shouldn’t want to become gods- that is the message of the Tower of Babel- and the Garden of Eden; if you believe these funny old stories…

  • cofty
    cofty

    Eden - who did humanity descend from - Adam and Eve or evolved humans?

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