Proof of Noah's Flood - Presently watching a Documentary about Europe & the Ice Age

by *lost* 170 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • cofty
    cofty
    100 yrs ago, bones were given to a doctor for identification. - Lost

    And now we know better.

    Your thread title is misleading.

    There is zero evidence for a global flood. The bible story is a fairy tale with no basis in reality other than the unremarkable fact that many cultures have flood myths.

    Science makes a global flood a few thousand years ago 100% impossible. It has nothing to do with personal perspectives.That's the thing about science, its not interested in our opinions only in cold hard facts.

    Your theology needs align with reality otherwise it's just silly nonsense.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    100 yrs ago, bones were given to a doctor for identification.

    He,. the Dr, said it was clear evidence of Noah's flood,

    How about a link to this video?

    And, is this the same video that prompted this thread or is it one that's only similar?

    Who's the doctor? What scientific basis did he employ Re: these bones? What evidence does he present to "prove" these bones have anything to do with the Biblical Flood? Was his work peer reviewed?

    edit: here's the video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDXYx9eb7sE

    Not a shred of evidence is presented to substantiate the claim these bones have any connection to the Flood.

    The video does explain that the North Sea (where the bones were dredged) was at one time a lush, green valley-dry land. Why is it so unusual that bones of wooly mammoth are found in what was once dry land?

  • adamah
    adamah

    lost said-

    Science, as far as I am aware, does not 'deal' with emotions.

    Au contraire. Explaining emotional reactions and the neurological basis of emotional reactions is the very reason psychology exists. The very existence of medications which manage emotional conditions (mood disorders) like depression should serve as sufficent proof to prove otherwise.

    In fact, it MAY also explain why people are not aware of science's understanding of this: some simply don't WANT to know (denial).

    Missfit said:

    One of the arguments for the flood being real was that Jesus referenced it.

    Did he reference it because it was part of the Jewish traditional writings and they would be familar with it and understand his point?

    Jesus was a man who lived 2,000 yrs ago, and he gets a pass for believing in a legend that was an intrinsic part of his culture. Modern people know better, and as Cofty says, wallowing in ignorance is now a personal choice.

    I've written two articles on the Flood account coming at it from the Bible angle, looking at the claims JWs use to justify the preaching work, and their blood policy. It may be interesting reading for you to consider.

    Adam

  • cofty
    cofty

    Here is the video ... The unnamed doctor that Lost is referring to lived 100 years ago. Not a PHd type of doctor, the sort of doctor that prescribed leeches to cure dropsy.

    ...

    The North Sea was once a savanna and somehow Lost managed to make that into "Proof of Noah's Flood".

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    I edited my post to add the video while you were posting yours, Cofty.

    Great minds.....

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Lol imagine that. There is not evidence.

  • redvip2000
    redvip2000

    "To be honest with you the bible is proof enough that the flood happened"

    my my... lol...

    If we consider the logistical implications of saying this really happened, how can this possibly be believable?

    Let's say there are about 30000 species of land animals, and we'll include birds as well. Double that and we have 60000. So 60000 animals in one ark??? But ok, let's pretend for a minute that they were.

    Now Noah was inside the ark for about 1 year. Where did he get the food to feed 60000 animals for one year, especially since many of these animals eat very region specific things?? did the animals pack a lunch box and bring it with them? How did 8 people feed 60000 animals on a daily basis? Did they also clean the stalls/cages of 60000 animals?

    How was it possible to make animals which are not able to co-exist peacefully in the wild, to somehow be amicable in such a confined space for 1 year?

    How did animals which are native to the americas, australia, north pole, hawaii, etc get to the middle east? did they fly? Did they grow wings temporarily? How about all the other animals? did they walk thousands upon thousands of miles?

    How about insects? They can't fly for a year....so does that mean all species of insects were in the ark? Since there were no plants, who fed the insects and with what?

    Also, since all land mass was under water for a year, all trees and plants died. Did God create all plants again from scratch, and go around planting them again? Certainly we are not saying that plants walked to the ark as well, are we? Or did they fly as well??

    Where did this water go? Water doesn't just disappear even if it evaporates...

    There are so many issues with this story and these are only a few that jump to mind right away.

    Now, we can go around using all-encompassing excuse of " Well God performed miracles to resolve all those issues". But even that makes no sense.

    Why would God disturb the planet in this manner and kill millions of animals and plants, destroy entire ecosystems, make animals fly over oceans, etc etc etc, when all he needed to do is send an angel to earth and kill all humans existing at that time, except those 8?

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    red:

    Let's say there are about 30000 species of land animals, and we'll include birds as well. Double that and we have 60000.

    If you look at the video on the top of page 3 you'll see that there are 1.25 MILLION species ! And, the amount of water necessary to accomplish a worldwide flood of the magnitude described in the Bible is simply impossible. That much water has never existed and cannot be physically housed by the earth no matter how expansive a person's imagination may be.

    The logistics of The Ark and the housing of a paltry, super-conservative 60,000 species defies imagination.

    If the story cannot survive basic mathematical equations then there's no point in wasting time arguing whether or not the rest of it could be true.

  • cofty
    cofty

    God the great conservationist saving all the animals - what a joke.

    99% of the billion or so species that have ever lived went extinct before Homo sapiens made an appearance.

  • adamah
    adamah

    redvip said-

    Now, we can go around using all-encompassing excuse of " Well God performed miracles to resolve all those issues". But even that makes no sense.

    Yeah, but that's EXACTLY what believers often WILL do, since they believe "with God, all things are possible". Pointless to waste energy on basis of scientific impossibility, since a miracle implies a supernatural suspension of the rule of Nature.

    "God Dun It!" covers a multitude of impossibilities.

    Why would God disturb the planet in this manner and kill millions of animals and plants, destroy entire ecosystems, make animals fly over oceans, etc etc etc, when all he needed to do is send an angel to earth and kill all humans existing at that time, except those 8?

    Heck, God's THE "Intelligent Designer". How trivial would it be to take a pre-existing virus and insert a deadly gene that kills all the humans, but design a vaccine to give to Noah and family? It's bio-engineering, SHOULD be trivial for God, and avoids the need for building the ark, grabbing pandas from China, kangaroos from Australia, dinosaurs from wherever they were located (ooops: scratch them), etc, and best part is it leaves no ugly high water marks on Mt Ararat.

    The REASON is the Hebrews had a perfectly-good legend of a Flood, and decided to use that myth to accomplish a number of different purposes in Genesis 9:

    1) explain where rainbows come from

    2) excuse to introduce their own authority over other Jews, claiming having the Divine authority to do so

    3) establish a prohibition on the first of many cultural markers (don't eat blood)

    Cofty said-

    There is zero evidence for a global flood. The bible story is a fairy tale with no basis in reality other than the unremarkable fact that many cultures have flood myths.

    I suspect you've not taken a course in cultural anthropology (sociology) or studied much about World mythology (Joseph Campbell), as the basis of many myths ARE in fact grounded in physical realities: that's one of the basic premises of sociology/mythology, as an attempt to explain why things are the way they appear the way they do.

    The flood account is a perfect example: the story attempts to explain where rainbows come from. Rainbows ARE in fact "based in reality", and the story is an attempt to explain their origins ("God Dun It!" was an answer in the days before science offered the angle of diffraction of sunlight inside water molecules found in atmospheric water, breaking it up into the prismatic bands of primary colors, etc).

    Of course, flooding represented a threat to any society that was transitioning from nomadic to agrarian, since floods caused not just loss of life (human and livestock, from which you could flee), but primarily loss of crops (not so easy to move a crop in a field, and if flooded, the people starved to death). Hence it was commonly found throughout the World, and as you say, it's almost to be expected that you'd find such stories, since a good story passed like wildfire.

    Adam

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