Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt (page 20)

QC

And science is clearly the work of post biblical people.

It's FIRST to get the Big Bang ORIGIN of the universe right

It's FIRST to get the EXPANSION of the universe right

It's FIRST to get "let there be LIGHT" in the universe right

It's FIRST to get the ORDER of creation right

Not a "science" book per se (doesn't claim to be). BUT when it ways in on science its smarts are always prescient.

The more SCIENCE discovery, the smarter the Bible gets.

jgnat

It just goes to show if you shove hard enough, even a square peg will fit in a round hole.

bohm

Copernicus wasn't an isolated visionary, he studied at (christian) universities and built on theoretical and mathematical work in astronomy and the science of motion (by christians)

I assume the christian you talk about is aristoteles?

bohm

The more SCIENCE discovery, the smarter the Bible gets.

If only the same could be said of its adherents.

QC

It just goes to show if you shove hard enough, even a square peg will fit in a round hole.

I always wondered what's wrong with you. Thanks for letting us know.

jgnat

Always most eloquent in your insults, QC. Shame they are not backed with substance.

Laika

I assume the christian you talk about is aristoteles?

Aristotle? His image of the universe was mostly wrong, and christian and islamic cosmology both remained largely wedded to it through the late antique and medieval periods. It was mainly in the late 13th and 14th century that other models became conceivable and through which Copernicus was able to develop his ideas.

Gopher

Here is the claim from QC:

It's FIRST to get the Big Bang ORIGIN of the universe right; It's FIRST to get the EXPANSION of the universe right; It's FIRST to get "let there be LIGHT" in the universe right; It's FIRST to get the ORDER of creation right.

Below is a skeptical analysis of Genesis chapter 1.http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html

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"In the beginning"
When was the universe created?
The Gap Theory 1:1-2
God creates light and separates light from darkness, and day from night, on the first day. Yet he didn't make the light producing objects (the sun and the stars) until the fourth day (1:14-19). And how could there be "the evening and the morning" on the first day if there was no sun to mark them? 1:3-5
God spends one-sixth of his entire creative effort (the second day) working on a solid firmament. This strange structure, which God calls heaven, is intended to separate the higher waters from the lower waters. 1:6-8
Plants are made on the third day before there was a sun to drive their photosynthetic processes (1:14-19). 1:11
God lets "the earth bring forth" the plants, rather than creating them directly. Maybe Genesis is not so anti-evolution after all. 1:11
In an apparent endorsement of astrology, God places the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament so that they can be used "for signs". This, of course, is exactly what astrologers do: read "the signs" in the Zodiac in an effort to predict what will happen on Earth. 1:14
God makes two lights: "the greater light [the sun] to rule the day, and the lesser light [the moon] to rule the night." But the moon is not a light, but only reflects light from the sun. And why, if God made the moon to "rule the night", does it spend half of its time moving through the daytime sky? 1:16
"He made the stars also." God spends a day making light (before making the stars) and separating light from darkness; then, at the end of a hard day's work, and almost as an afterthought, he makes the trillions of stars. 1:16
"And God set them [the stars] in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth." 1:17
In verse 11, God "let the earth bring forth" the plants. Now he has the earth "bring forth" the animals as well. So maybe the creationists have it all wrong. Maybe God created livings things through the process of evolution. 1:24
God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26
God commands us to "be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over ... every living thing that moveth upon the earth." 1:28
"I have given you every herb ... and every tree ... for meat."
Since many plants have evolved poisons to protect against animals that would like to eat them, God's advice is more than a little reckless. Would you tell your children to go out in the garden and eat whatever plants they encounter? Of course not. But then, you are much nicer and smarter than God. 1:29
All animals were originally herbivores. Tapeworms, vampire bats, mosquitoes, and barracudas -- all were strict vegetarians, as they were created by God. 1:30
"God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good." He purposefully designed a system that ensures the suffering and death of all his creatures, parasite and host, predator and prey. 1:31

The Genesis 1 creation account conflicts with the order of events that are known to science. In Genesis, the earth is created before light and stars, birds and whales before reptiles and insects, and flowering plants before any animals. The order of events known from science is just the opposite. 1:1-2:3

cofty

QC - Why does being a christian not give you pause about insulting people?

Do you make personal attacks because you are frustrated that you have no answers?

bohm

Laika: it was a joke, i just wondered which christians you referred to.

Design or Non-Design, finally we know, Darwin's Doubt

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