jeffro - again you are making assuptions about other people (Jw)
based on what ? again, do not think i am disagreeing with you friend, we have had some passionates spats yes, because misunderstandings can so easily cause them things to happen, like when people form different cultures clash, they dont understand each other, becauset hey don't know each other. Strangers from different cultures.
Yes, when you put it on paper
Satan is God
God is Satan. It looks a bit shocking.
Abba, Father, The One True God, The Most High, The Almighty, The Creator who sent his Son to redeem us, has been given the personal name je-hova.
We have discovered that the name je-hovah is not the persoanl name of the True God Most High.
(now you don't believe there is a God, or any God's, which is fine, but, we are talking matters spiritual, things that people believe above all else. People love this Abba Father, The One True God, The Most High God, they love this Being more than life itself.
To you it may be absurd, fine, but that doesn't mean it isn't so.
But to Spiritual people, who believe things Spiritual, it has to be discessed through that channel.
If I could have had this information months ago, it would of made a big difference. Why, logic, reason, evidence, facts, discussion. It makes a big difference when you can sit down with people and have an honest discussion, not debates, not fighting, not pushing rhetoric, not witnessing ridicule, piss taking and Hubris. That happens a lot on this site, there are some who just seem to 'get off' on it.
I have had to take some shit off some people here and I have had to battle my way through it all to get to this information. The information presented in a way that I personally could understand it and digest it.
JW's count Satan and his existence as real, every bit as much as they do God himself and Jesus. And Angels and Demons. Fact.
It is not as simple as stating God is Satan, cos no he is not. Satan the master of deception - see, it's talking the language that applies to the person you are dealing with. If you do not know that person, it doesnt matter how many facts or bits of evidence you throw out there, true. It is how you package that information into a format which it can be dilvered in such a way as to make it digestable.
Now I know these things, now I can see clearly, everything makes sense. Before it didn't. know I know why.
The biggest most single thing that helped me was to be able to discuss these things with other people.
If everyone knows this truth about the name je-hovah it's origins and meaning, why isn't the information shared. why is it os hard to find it.
It is almost like it has been hidden.
What else has been hidden, that is the thing, there si so much more out there.
It doesn't always come down to belief's.