: The fact is that you only understand the error partially.
Really. Then please enlighten us lesser mortals as to what wonderful truths about 1914 we have so sadly missed.
You’ve already been exposed to it, as of the first post of this thread … you only can’t discern the factualness of it.
:Even that's understandable, because you're father has revealed that much to you ... so that you can be used as his agent for defaming the WTS.
I'm a child of Satan! I'm a child of Satan! I'm a child of Satan! Nyaah nyaah nyaah, nyaah nyaaaaah nyaah!
Big fucking deal.
Oops. Sorry for offending your tender sensibilities. Satan does that to people, You Know.
I’m not that easily offended. Go ahead and display your lack of morals, while there’s time.
You doubt the existence of Satan so naturally you’d refuse to entertain the thought that you or anyone else has given in to his influence. I suppose that you’d probably blame the Pentecostal’s “speaking in tongues” and “laughing syndrome” on high blood pressure or something, eh? Or maybe they’re just big fakes, putting on when the do all that?
: There's no truth to your claim here. Are you deliberately lying, AlanF? Or are you just mixed up?
In past posts you've stated outright that you are a disfellowshipped person. Do you deny this?
You silly thing. You’re playing games! Every post I’ve made here is still in the archives.
If so, then provide contact information so that I may verify your status with the congregation that holds your precious Publishers Record Card. Alternatively, give me your name and congregation and I will call the Service Department and verify your status. If you refuse to do this, then readers will understand that I have spoken the truth.
I can give you MY phone number, if you wish.
: #3) They were "appointed" by reason of their genuinely wishing to do Jehovah's will. It's as simple as that. Oh? Do you have a direct line to God so as to verify this appointment? Or is this, rather, yet another product of your fertile imagination watered and seeded by "the faithful and discreet slave"?
How would a person such as you, one who distrusts the very word of God himself, ever understand the answer to the question that you’ve asked? But no, I don’t have a “direct line to God”. And no, the idea of a person or person’s being chosen by God on the basis of their willingness is not so out of reason.
: I'm no "fence sitter", as you claim. The "step" I've taken has been a very brave one, and principled too, rather than "cowardly". I've made my feelings known to the Society, Prove it.
You mean show YOU all the documents that I’ve sent to Brooklyn, and all the ones in the oven that are yet to be presented. What makes you, one of the vilest of apostates, so worthy of viewing my work?
: and have numerous plans to do so yet. Ahh! Such as?
Do you actually suppose that I’d cast such holy things out into your direction?
: You call that cowardly? Of course -- if you keep everything to yourself. What do you have to lose then?
How have I kept everything to myself?
: A coward is one that does nothing ... like you, they just "sit". Oh please. Of all the people on this board, I'm not one you can say that of. A minor example that proves you wrong is the link http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm where roughly 1000 pages of my research are available.
That pile of trash is what I’m referring to as doing “nothing”. It’s worthless. It’s a total waste. There’s no life to it all. It’s Godless. It’s meaningless. It’s vindictive. It’s contemptible. It’s blasphemous. It’s smells of someone whose mind is warped. It’s …….
Now, Yadirf, can you produce a link to anything of substance you've produced? Anything beyond that thoroughly "apostate" website you linked to in your first post?
That’s about all I’ve got on the web. Not hiding anything though, am I? Guess I’m just not afraid of being disfellowshipped, or I’d take it down now wouldn’t I? Oh that’s right, you said I was already disfellowshipped.
: I have boldly spoken my mind to the WTS. Sure, and based on the content of your website, it's no wonder they blew you off. In their eyes you're at least as bad an "apostate" as I am. Welcome, buddy!
What “content”? Has someone been putting stuff up on my website? Last time I looked there wasn’t much there, really. Haven’t taken the time to upload the stuff I’d intended to for so long.
: But I've not gone to the Kingdom Hall in order to spread my thoughts around, like an apostate would. Ah! An apostate is one who deliberately spreads truth. Especially when truth contradicts Watchtower teaching.Don't you realize, Yadirf, how contradictory your own thoughts are here? On the one hand you define "apostate" as anyone who publicly disagrees with the Society. On the other hand you excuse yourself because you've not publicly made your criticisms known. What you've really said here is exactly what a typical braindead JW would -- that an "apostate" is anyone who contradicts Watchtower teaching -- except that you've exempted yourself from this definition by mental processes I cannot fathom.
Figure it out, Alan. You’re smart, remember? Naw, I wouldn’t leave you hangin’ so helplessly … you look so pitiful. You’re exaggerating as to how I define “apostate”. You’re one of the best examples of an apostate there is, one that has turned against his religion. Have I turned against the WTS? No I haven’t.
: You charge "JW leaders" with having lied, Far more than that: I have personally proved to the world that JW leaders have lied hundreds of times in their printed literature.
The “world” who? Are you really so naïve as to believe that the “world” in general is interested in your truckloads of biased trash? Shall we dub you “Alan The Great Lie Detector”? Do you have illusions of grandeur? Since you’ve “proved to the world” what you say you have, then I can’t understand why you’re not anymore famous than what you are. Surely you’re gonna bring the WTS down, aren’t you. You’re quite a dreamer, Alan.
: yet you've lied yourself right here in this post of yours. You have yet to prove that.
Oh, I get it, I’m supposed to prove that you made up something (namely that I once said here on JW.com that I was a disfellowshipped person), and if I can’t then what you made up is indeed the truth. Shoot, who can argue with that sort of reasoning. I think I’ll use that argument the next time I go to the bank. Any other games that you’d like to play, Alan. Heck, this is sorta fun.
: How about that, the pot callin' the kettle black! Mere words without practical substance.
You surely must be talking about what one sees here >>> http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
: Did you, or did you not, lie when you said that I am a disfellowshipped person? I did not lie. You yourself have intimated that you're DF'd. Perhaps you meant that you're considered "disassociated", but that's a distinction without a difference. You can easily clear this up by giving appropriate references.
No, I don’t consider myself disassociated. And I’ve said that before, here on this forum. But I’ve never once “intimated” that I’m a “DF’d” person, as you are so playfully claiming … either that, or you’re outright lying or your diseased mind is playing tricks on you. I’m not shunned. That proof enough for you? Or are you going to say that I’m making up things, as I say you are?
If you don't like this line of thought, then why don't you just come clean and show clearly and for the record what you're about? And of course, provide verifiable proof for your claims.
Proof of what “claims”? “Come clean”? I’m not the one who’s dirty.
What? You object to providing verifiable claims? You want me to put my money where my mouth is? Here you are. My contact info is: Alan Feuerbacher
2637 Moore Lane
Fort Collins, CO 80526
970-206-1555 And yeah, I'm in the phone book.
First you ask me if I want you to, then you do it before I’ve had a chance to answer. What gives here, Alan? You on drugs?
Now, Yadirf, I challenge you to provide similar information about yourself. Readers will see instantly who is a truthful person and who is a coward. Your choice.
Now, AlanF, I challenge you to go see a shrink, Readers will see instantly that you’re a coward if you refuse.
: You're so very funny it hurts. You quote scripture and apply it to me, when you don't even believe in Scripture. So? One doesn't need to believe in nonsense when quoting nonsense back at someone who believes in it. If they balk, they're mere hypocrites. Is that what you are?
If “one doesn’t need to believe in nonsense” than why did you put all the stuff on this site >>> http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
Am I a hypocrite? No.
: That's imprimatur, Alan, not "imprimateur". That's so unlike you to misspell words... See above.
Do my mistakes justify yours?
: My "notion" regarding Daniel 11:35 is particularly something that I know about and understand quite clearly. Aha! Just like C. T. Russell knew, etc.
: Are you here to tell me that you know how to interpret it? Well, in view of clear statements such as "the king will actually do according to his own will, and he will exalt himself and magnify himself above every god" and "the thing decided upon must be done" and "the ground he will apportion out for a price" and so forth, I can interpret Daniel as well as anyone.
That wasn’t the challenge. The reference was to the specific scripture that you yourself brought up. Namely, Daniel 11:35. But I understand your choosing to beat around the bush instead.
: Someone that doesn't even believe in the Bible knows the correct interpretation over a person that does? You're not being reasonable, Alan. The correct interpretation of nonsense is: nonsense.
It’s nonsense not to have a firm belief in the existence of God. It’s also nonsense to think that God would not have a written set of instructions for his creation.
You can interpret all you want for the future. The fact is that not a single thing that was predicted for the past, based upon interpretations of Daniel or any other Bible book, has come to pass. Not a single thing. The Book of Daniel is chock full of thoroughly ambiguous nonsense, nothing of which has come to pass as any number of interpreters have predicted.
Yeah, I’m sure statements such as that will add greatly to your credibility when it comes to people putting stock in that trash you have posted here >>> http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/index2.htm
Actually people with a mind like you aren’t expected to believe in the Bible, as it’s written for people who know that it’s only reasonable that God would provide a written record for what concerns them.
: Can you show me where God said to love what is bad? Of course not. But that's irrelevant in this thread.
Why is it irrelevant, particularly when you brought it up? You said that my posts were “full of hatred and vitriol”. I insinuated that insofar as the Bible, which you’re so adamant in holding me to, doesn’t say that I’ve got to be sweet to an apostate like one as a rule finds here on this board.
"Apostates" -- me included -- tend to stand for truth. That is proved by the simple fact that not a single JW defender can stand against a knowledgeable "apostate" -- and of course, by "apostate" I mean "critic" – without resorting to all manner of lying subterfuge.
And where have I resorted to “all manner of lying subterfuge”? Specific example please.
: Yet, I've never said that you apostates positively won't make it into God's Kingdom. So, why is it that you call me a hateful person. Because you spout hateful words.
See above. Plus, you DON’T spout hateful words?
: Have you ever read the replies to my posts? Of course. This is just one example of one of us "vile apostates" doing so.
The question was, have you ever witnessed the hateful words that were directed my way? You funny boy.
: I've never heard you label such ones hateful, as you have just done with reference to me.
So why haven’t I? Prejudice?
: You're a little lopsided, aren't you Alan? :: Why? Because some people who respond to you make mistakes and I don't criticize them? There is so much traffic on this board, and I have enough other important idels, to deal with, that I (and certainly plenty of other critics) can't possibly deal with every post. Therefore it often accomplishes little to say anything.
See above. Also, what sort of an “idels” is it that you deal with, you say?
: One of your problems, Yadirf, is that you, like other JWs who have undergone the same training, are supremely confident that you've been given spiritual "weapons" that cannot fail. In this you're like Kamikaze pilots. But they failed and the JW organization will fail, and for nearly identical reasons. My words stand.
So now I’m a JW again, huh? Don’t you remember? … you swore that I claimed to have been disfellowshipped! Those disfellowshipped are no longer considered to be JWs, they are on the OUTSIDE.
Your “words stand”? What good is that when they’re no good?
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.