You delight in keeping a person guessing, don’t you? Okay, so now we’ve squeezed enough personal information out of you so that we at least know that you’re NOT an atheist. Of course that’s about all we know, because you, even though being on the subject, were reluctant to merely just go ahead and briefly state your position, exactly what you DO see yourself as being. O but you’d rather keep people wondering where you are coming from in your argumentation.
We also know that you do NOT recognize the Bible as being divinely inspired by God. We also note that you have a very high opinion of yourself insofar as knowing what the Bible teaches, particularly how to interpret its words. In your wisdom you present a scenario in which people are forever dying and going to heaven to rule over a new generation of peoples here on earth … a never ending cycle of birth, death and going to heaven. Of course you, in your reluctance, failed to explain exactly how the peoples of earth actually know that they are being ruled over by all those who preceded them in going to heaven. Yes, what a magnificent picture you have painted. Yes, you do indeed have it all figured out don’t you!
You read all kinds of things into my spelling mistakes and abreviation,
An outright exaggeration. Exactly what were those “all kinds of things” that I supposedly read into your spelling errors? Aren’t you simply trying to think of something to say so as to fill out space in your reply? Instead of being obliging, you want to dwell on and expend your time and energy on my having called your attention to the fact that your comments require effort in order to decipher what you are trying to get at. Any reasonable and honest person can easily tell that you yourself are the faultfinder here; unwilling to cooperate by simply admitting that you failed to make it clear about what you yourself brought into the conversation and thought to be so important and decisive.
but choose to say your own bad grammer is ok.
I’ve said no such thing. You’re simply verifying what I just said about your tendency to exaggerate. Let me ask you a question: Did my so-called “bad grammer” deduct from your being able to understand what I was saying? If so, please provide a specific example. You make the claim, so produce the evidence why don’t you. I pointed out to you precisely where your statements were unclear. But, as I suggested above, you delight in keeping a person guessing.
What does that say about you, friday? You who makes his own grammer rules, against the rules of proper english.
Until you provide specific examples, and show me where what I said was unclear to you, and why it was, it says nothing whatsoever about Friday. You, the accuser, say that I choose to make my own “grammer rules against the rules of proper english”, but you can’t quite squeeze it out of yourself to produce the evidence for such a claim.
You who didn't know about the avesta.
That’s a big deal to you, isn’t it! The “avesta”, yes indeed. So you finally learned of something that I am not familiar with but that you are, did you? Although you brought it up, yet you haven’t bothered to simply explain to me why this “avesta” undermines the Revelation account. Yes, it’s easy for you to say “Go read it for yourself”. Isn’t it? Merely additional evidence of your reluctance to oblige in presenting exactly what you perceive as evidence that the Revelation account is not authentic.
I guess it must make you feel better about your own stature if you can pick out mistakes like these in my posts, eh?
My “stature” had nothing to do with my pleading to you to make your comments less obscure. But again, rather than oblige, you wish to pass the blame onto your readers. Yes, you are indeed Saint Satan. That person, whom you don’t believe in BTW, is a master at passing the blame onto others. You’ve chosen a perfect screen name, as it fits your character so well.
I brought this to your attention because you make a big issue out of things like this, i havn't, before this.
Oh stop your lying, Satan. Anyone who reads these posts, whether now or pulls them up to read them years down the road, can easily see through your deception. And I thank you, being that you’re on the side of those who curse the WTS, for providing the evidence that you have here as to just how desperate the apostates are … so desperate that they have to resort to lies in order to accomplish their hopes of harming the cause of true Christianity. Yes, Satan is afraid of genuine Christianity even as Saint Satan is.
You say, “i havn’t, before this.” You mean “I haven’t”, of course. And, of course, the truth is that you haven’t actually needed to, simply because you’ve had no trouble whatsoever in understanding anything that I’ve said. It’s actually I myself that’s got cause for complaint since almost every sentence you compose is laden with an error or some sort. A teacher in school would definitely give you a failing grade. You surely must place a lot of importance on your precious thoughts, yes indeed, as seen by the fact that you refuse to expend the small amount of effort required in order to pose a sentence free of misspelled words, etc. It’s just simply too much to ask out of you to oblige, isn’t it?
*Sigh* I, a non-biblist must explain the basics of standard christianity to you?
You mean a non-B
ist, of course. And then, of course, you proceed to explain such a thing to me even though from the start I have to set you straight insofar as how to spell what you yourself say YOU are. I’m picking at you now because you’ve made such a big issue out of this spelling and grammar thing. Of course I know that you are leading me on, and that you’re only semi-interested at the most. And I’m going to oblige by placing your challenge right up your posterior, Satan! I have no respect for you whatsoever, that is, at least for what you (SS) stand for.
10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Okay, now let’s remember that you’re supposed to be showing myself, and the world of viewers that might be looking on, how that ALL of Jesus' followers go to heaven. Right? Right! Too, it’s somewhat ludicrous that I’m involved in a dispute here with a person that, not only doesn’t believe what he himself is saying, but represents himself as a stand-in or substitute for a member of Christendom. Not isn’t THAT something!
And so you assume from this scripture that “those” referenced are promised a heavenly reward. That is, they are to live literally and forever in heaven itself. Little could you ever imagine that the expression “kingdom of heaven” -- both for humans and angels alike -- has to do with simply being privileged with living under the jurisdiction of God’s rule, without interference from the likes of Satan. For humans it has to do with enjoying life here on earth under the divine providence of God himself. In other words, a person doesn’t have to live in heaven itself in order to enjoy the benefits of God’s own rule. The angels, who actually do reside in heaven, and who stay faithful will always enjoy the benefit of God’s own rule. Even as those who live on earth will. In the beginning, before rebellion set in, this is the way it was. This was the first heaven and the first earth, as it were, in a figurative sense. But it’s God’s intent to restore those conditions that previously existed throughout his universe, hence a “new heavens and a new earth” -- not literally so, but in a restorative sense. It’s obvious that you’ve done nothing but read Christendom’s books. You’re not brilliant enough to come up with those ideas yourself. You’ve demonstrated that ever so well right here in this thread alone. Too, “Saint Satan” as a screen name? Come on!
12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.
“In heaven”? Of course the expression here is merely a reference to the “kingdom of heaven” as spoken of in the verse just covered, verse 10. You, like the ones that you’re borrowing your thoughts from, mistakenly think that this verse teaches that the destiny of all Christians is to make their abode in “heaven” with God. For your information not even the angels themselves do that. Christendom's view is that “heaven” is purely a spiritual realm where spirit creatures live and that’s it. The fact is though that you/they don’t know that there are literally THREE of such heavens (not counting earth's atmosphere), and all of them together is what makes up God’s entire universe. For those interested see >>> http://4heavens.homestead.com/21.html
Another fact that you’re not aware of is that the earth itself is literally in a heaven, specifically the SECOND heaven (as seen from earth's perspective). So yes, to gain everlasting life here on earth is to gain entrance into God’s Kingdom and to have an eternal place in God’s universe as part of the occupants of the second heaven, yet while actually residing here on earth. You are such a fool, and insist on keeping your eyes closed.
I know you will bring to mind the part that says that the meek inherit the earth, but that doesn't mean that they don't go to heaven after they die, and a new generation of meek carry on on the earth.
Well blow me down, if I hadn’t seen it with my own eyes I would’ve never believed it You actually can volunteer information without having it squeezed out of you, can’t you! What made you to decide to do that now? Wow! Maybe there’s hope yet for you being able to get your thoughts across without stumbling over misspelled words, and all the rest. You make it so awfully difficult for me to be civil with you. Oh yeah, that's right ... you're Satan. That's your job!
Regarding your explanation of Matthew 5:5 here, that’s actually the most ridiculous synopsis I’ve ever heard with reference to those words of Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount, as it’s commonly referred to. I need say no more!
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?
3 And when I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
Here is where Jesus is speaking to those who would eventually go to heaven to rule alongside him, namely the 12 disciples (the first of the144,000). Jesus tells them that even as he himself lives in God’s heaven (the FOURTH, and highest) so will they, for the duration of time for which they will be kings, specifically 1000 years. Whether now dead or alive, these await Jesus’ return to take them to his “Father’s house” from which they will rule as kings over the earth for the 1000 years.
Three chapters later, when jesus prays for all who believe, he applies this to all.
Wrong as wrong can be! As you will soon see. (Well, not YOU, of course.)
John 17:20 "I do not pray for these only, but also for those who believe in me through their word,
21 that they may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
23 I in them and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I desire that they also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am, to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
Now, so that all interested can get the sense out of what these 5 verses have to say I’ll insert identities in order to make it simple and clear. But I’m also going to add verses 6 and 9 because of their importance in getting an understanding of the critical verse -- verse 24. Also, I recommend that the entire chapter be read. Although Saint Satan failed to note which translation he used here, it is the Revised Standard.
Verses 6 & 9
I have manifested thy name to the men [the 12 disciples of the 144,000 ruling class] whom thou gavest me out of the world; thine they were, and thou gavest them to me, and they have kept thy word. … I am praying for them; I am not praying for the world but for those [the 12 disciples again] whom thou hast given me, for they are thine;
I do not pray for these only [12 disciples of the 144,000 ruling class], but also for those [the other sheep] who believe in me through their word,
that they [the 12 disciples AND the other sheep] may all be one; even as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
The glory which thou hast given me I have given to them [12 disciples AND the other sheep], that they may be one even as we are one,
I in them [12 disciples AND the other sheep] and thou in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that thou hast sent me and hast loved them even as thou hast loved me.
Father, I desire that they [the 12 disciples ONLY] also, whom thou hast given me, may be with me where I am [in heaven], to behold my glory which thou hast given me in thy love for me before the foundation of the world.
Fact: In verses 6 and 9 Jesus definitely had in mind only the 12 disciples of the ruling class, not the other sheep. Notice the fact that these unique ones are those whom God ‘gave to him’. Now notice in verse 24 (the critical verse here) that Jesus again refers to those whom God ‘gave to him’. Those to whom God gave to Jesus are none other than those who would share rulership with him in his kingdom. Go back and re-read the chapter, if necessary, beginning with the first verse; one will find that Jesus was referring to his disciples, the twelve. The ones GIVEN to Jesus of which he spoke were the 12 disciples, as contrasted with those who had came, or would come, to believe in him through THEIR (the 12 disciples) word (see verse 20).
So, did Saint Satan show that ALL of Jesus' followers go to heaven? Most certainly NOT! Only those who become selected to rule with Christ are to go to heaven. The other sheep do NOT go to heaven.
Daniel 11:35 ... a KEY prophecy that must be fulfilled before the "time of the end" gets underway.