what takes away salvation

by jhine 88 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Badfish
    Badfish

    Flesh? Yes.

    Bones? Yes?

    Blood? No.

    "Flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom." (1 Corinthians 15:50)

  • cofty
    cofty
    Flesh? Yes.

    Bones? Yes?

    Blood? No.

    If no blood then no heart and no need for oxygen therefore no lungs.

    If no oxygen then no cellular respiration, no energy systems and no use for food.

    No food no digestive system or bladder and no need for an anus or urethra.

    No blood = no erections and if no urethra and no erections no need for a penis.

    So we have proved that Jesus has no anus and no penis.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    "Flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom." (1 Corinthians 15:50)

    Which would mean that IN HEAVEN, one is spirit and not fleash.

    That Jesus' body was flesh and bone is quite clear in the GOJ.

  • cofty
    cofty

    A body made of flesh and bone without blood is risible.

    Why do you hate science so much?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Who was that directed to COfty?

  • cofty
    cofty

    You Psac

  • cofty
    cofty

    Double post

  • Ding
    Ding

    Welcome, Jhine!

    In reply to the questions in your original post, the WTS protrays all of life as a loyalty and endurance test set by God.

    WT "salvation" consists of human beings trying in their own strength to pass this test, thereby proving their dedication and worthiness to Jehovah, as evidenced by door-to-door witnessing, meeting attendance, and other rule-keeping.

    The WT does not see salvation as people being transformed spiritually on the inside as a free gift from God received by faith.

    Paul describes this inner transformation in Philippians 3:8-9 as "...in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, based on law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith."

    Since JWs do not see the need for such a transformation or believe that it is even possible, they do not seek it.

    They see being "born again" (John 3:3) as something only for the anointed 144,000 and even for them the WT view of being "born again" doesn't involve the sort of inner transformation described above; it has only to do with having a future heavenly (as opposed to earthly) hope and of partaking of the bread and wine at the yearly Memorial.

    In other words, the key is that the WT teaches that JWs can be sufficiently righteous without having had such a transforming work done inside them by Jehovah.

    I think this is described in Romans 10:2-3: "I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but it is not enlightened. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness that comes from God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness."

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    @kjg132 - You said,

    "It doesn't say that Jesus died for all Christians or all True Christians or everyone who has the doctrine Right...It says "the whole world" and "all people".

    To accurately establish exactly what was meant by the "whole world", (as in John 3:16) we have to examine the Bible's complete explanation of how salvation is gained - it is not given unconditionally, as many apparently have been told.

    True it is a free gift - but there is one major pre-condition.

    To illustrate, imagine you were bankrupt and Bill Gates got to hear of your predicament and offered you $25m as a gift. He sends you the cheque, you open the envelope and look at the cheque - it's real, you believe what he said was true. However, you're too lazy to get out of your house and go to the bank to cash it, so you stay bankrupt!!

    So much for the 'free gift' of $25m, you might say. Would you blame Bill?

    Likewise with the free gift of Christ's ransom sacrifice - the pre-condition required is at John 5:23;17:3 & Acts 2:38.

    Rejection of Christ as 'the Lamb of God' results in destruction, not redemption. (2 Thessalonians 1:8,9)

    There is no carte-blanche redemption for people who pay no heed to the Bible's standards and requirements.

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    You Psac

    From everything I ever posted here, you honestly believe that?

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