Who Really is The Faithful and Discreet Slave?

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  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Consider that it COULDN'T be a prophecy about current events, since he frames the question that way. If he COULD tell them who it would be, then the slave would have to be known to his apostles/disciples at that time.

    This particular story is a prophecy in that it perfectly describes how the Gospel of Christ will permeate the entire globe which it currently is doing. There IS a FDS class today, but it will remain unidentified as it always has been because it's made up of all nations, peoples, tribes and tongues. That's why only the Father knows the day and the hour because only the Father knows the identities of the FDS individuals. The FDS parable is a description of Yin/Yang at it's core and how the World of Karma operates as depicted through the lens of Christianity. Everything has it's logical counterpart even the faithful slaves. I quoted some definitions for you in my previous post and I would like you to take a second look at them. Prophecy can be instruction given by a prophet, so that instruction can and will be structured into parables. Your assertion that a parable can never logically be prophecy is erroneous. Scripture from all culture is full of parable that directly applies to the people of our day.

    -Sab

  • LostGeneration
    LostGeneration

    DJeggnogg.......is that you?

    Outsmart, I think you nailed it....

  • Emery
    Emery

    Your understanding of Matt 24:45-47 is simply an interpretation of Scripture. The reason why you defend this interpretation instead of considering the alternative is due to the fact that YOU ARE TOLD by an implied authority to read it in this fashion. We do not need to show you biblically how this is wrong, as it is a very ambiguous scripture that can be debated a number of ways. The history of the WTS is the most vital when considering this scripture. They must go hand in hand, according to them, not us*

    In a nutshell, the Watchtower teaches that the masters, Jehovah and Jesus Christ, turned their attention to the earth in judgment in 1918 and 1919, and as a result, the Watchtower was awarded the blessing as the “faithful slave.” The Watchtower believes they have served as a slave before that, but in 1919 the final decision was made. On what basis did Jehovah God, Jesus Christ, make such a decision? T he Watchtower answers very straightforward.

    On page 352 & 353 of God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, we read:

    “In the year 1919, Jehovah did ‘turn his hand back upon those who are insignificant.’(Zechariah 13:7)…Like the Slave’s master in the illustration, the Lord Jesus did return to his house (and) inspect the situation within it. He did find there a ‘faithful and slave’ class that were striving, in spite of world conditions, to do as commanded, give the Lord’s ‘domestics’ at the proper time their spiritual food, food taken from the inspired word of God. So the Lord showed his favor by re-gathering them into a well-organized body of domestics in his house. The eight-day (general) convention in Cedar Point, Ohio, on September 1–8, 1919, was a notification to all the world that the invisibly present Lord Jesus Christ was re-gathering his faithful sheep. It indicated to the world who it was that the returned Lord Jesus had found to be his ‘faithful and discreet slave’ class. This made the slave class happy.”

    The Watchtower, December 15 th, 1977, page 751 , says:

    “Their faithfulness and spiritual wisdom in the Master’s service determines their worthiness to be put in charge of all the earthly belongings of their Master.”

    God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached , page 356-7 and The Watchtower of October 1, 1981, page 28 :

    “All these privileges, responsibilities, dignities and honors that have been reserved for the remnant of the “faithful and discreet slave’ class and that are bestowed upon them by their heavenly Father (Master), the reigning king Jesus Christ… Their being charged with these precious things denotes an elevation of them indeed. It resembles the picture presented in Revelation 11:11 (, 12)…‘And they heard a loud voice of heaven say to them; “Come on up here!”’ And they went on up into heaven in the cloud and their enemies beheld them.’”

    (WT) ‘Pictorially speaking, the Almighty God has girded up their loins for the discharge of this weighty ministry by binding upon their hips the ‘sash’ of a steward or a majordomo… Further prophesying regarding the prophet Eliakim class, Jehovah said: ‘And I will drive him in as a peg in a lasting place, and he must become as a throne of glory to the house of his father and they must hang upon him (like upon a peg) all the glory of the house of his father…”’

    God’s Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached, page 350:

    “The serving of food, the right sort of food, at the proper time was the issue. It had to be according to this that a decision must be rendered by the returned master…the quality of the food itself was to be considered,” (paragraph 40)

    Now, there are a couple of important points here. First, it is the Watchtower’s faithfulness and spiritual wisdom that determined their being put in charge of all his belongings. Their spiritual wisdom and faith is not difficult to identify, the main spiritual food that was dispensed in 1918 and 1919 are found in a series of publications. In years prior to 1918-1919, there were 6 main books published in a series called Studies in the Scriptures. The last one, though, was published back in 1904. On the seventeenth day of the seventh month of 1917, the last one, the seventh, was published, entitled The Finished Mystery . It was greeted as exciting “new light,” the latest of the advancing “light of truth.” It was the only book the Watchtower Society published during this critical time of judgment. I encourage you Recovery to review the contents of this book, and determine for yourself if this food was meat in due season or proper for such an appointment.

    In summary, The Finished Mystery or Studies in the Scriptures will completely dismantle the belief that by this food they were granted the greatest gift in mankind's history. Take into consideration that by the judgment of that wisdom they can disfellowship you and declare you dead in Jehovah's eyes.

    I like the way Ray Franz demonstrates that the description of the slave in the parable as a “class” of Christians is unsupported by scripture and is used to emphasize the concept of the slave being connected to an organization, diminishing its application to individuals in encouraging the qualities of faith, discretion, watchfulness and individual responsibility. If the application of figures in Jesus' corresponding parables as members of a class were consistent, there would also be a “ten-mina class” and “five-mina class” relating to Luke 19:12-27 and a “many strokes class” and “few strokes class” arising from Luke 12: 47-48 .

    Also, the Society's claim that a faithful and discreet slave class has always existed throughout the centuries since Pentecost has huge discrepancies. If this were so, Russell went against this currently established unbroken divine channel to study the bible "independently and privately without sectarian bias" as mentioned in the Proclaimers book. Russell neither consulted any existing "faithful and discreet slave" class for enlightenment, nor believed in the concept as currently taught by the society today. By Society standards, his actions alone show that he (Russell) acted presumptuously and ran ahead of Jehovah. He went against the slave arrangement according to doctrine. Why wasn't he reprimanded by the Governing Body existing in the late 1800's?

    The most important problem with this doctrine is that there is no historical evidence or facts to support an unbroken chain of one sole channel of true Christianity over the centuries; this is even acknowledged by the Watchtower.

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    And to tie in to the two excellent posts made by Outsmart and Emery, even if you DO read the parable as a prophecy, then that only raises the problem of WHICH element of the 'prophecy' is fulfilled, i.e. is the GB the "wise" slave, or the "evil" slave? Jesus' words were clearly a warning, and considering the "food at the proper time" element, then it would indicate the GB is going the EVIL route.

    And THAT'S one problem by saying it must be prophetic parable: a prophecy is generally ascribed as being fulfilled by ONE EVENT, only (although the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem was such a good one that it was fulfilled TWICE, lol!). Whereas a parable is never 'fulfilled', but is supposedly timeless advice applicable to all humans.

  • sabastious
    sabastious
    Jesus' words were clearly a warning, and considering the "food at the proper time" element, then it would indicate the GB is going the EVIL route.

    Terry did a great post about this subject, but I can't seem to find it.

    -Sab

  • moshe
    moshe

    In reference to the Steven Unthank case in Australia last year-- The F&DS and the GB was listed on a subpoena in the criminal case- a WT lawyer showed up in court to defend the corporations money- interestingly the lawyer argued that-

    --During the court hearing on October 11, legal counsel for the Watchtower Society, Rachel van Witsen, from Vincent Toole Solicitors (the Watchtower Society's in-house law firm located inside Bethel, Australia) made a statement on behalf of the Watchtower Society that:-

    "The faithful and discreet slave is not a legal entity."

    Vincent Toole Solicitors then went on to present arguments that the "faithful and discreet slave" do not exist as a "person" nor do they exist as an "unincorporated body" and nor do they exist as a "body" of Christians.

    Literally Vincent Toole Solicitors were arguing that the "faithful and discreet slave" should be struck off the charge list because they simply do not exist. In one broad sweeping statement the Watchtower Society and their in-house legal team completely destroyed the entire fabric and structure of the faith of some 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses. What next happened goes beyond the wildest imaginings that any Jehovah's Witness could ever believe was possible.

    Steven Unthank stood up, looked around the courtroom, and then actually defended the "faithful and discreet slave" and the beliefs and doctrinal teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses. No one else came to the defense of the "faithful and discreet slave". Steven Unthank, as the current acting prosecutor, was the only person who defended them. Unthank then presented argument that the "faithful and discreet slave" was real and was that body of Jehovah's Witness Christians that had religious responsibility over the entire Christian congregation.

    The Watchtower Society and Vincent Toole Solicitors then presented rebuttal argument that the "faithful and discreet slave" did not exist but were nothing more than a:-

    "theological arrangement"

    A massive gasp could be heard emanating from the gallery from amongst a group of Jehovah's Witnesses who had attended to watch the hearing. It is worth noting that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that to deny the "faithful and discreet slave" is to deny the Christ and that those who deny the Christ are the antichrist."

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    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/223073/1/Steven-Unthanks-case-this-might-help-fill-some-gaps

    I don't need any scriptual proof to refute the notion that none of the F&DS reside anywhere in Watchtower land- the WT Corporation has admitted they exist only in the minds of JWs as a "theological arrangement".

    Anytime the WT implies the F&DS has done something or directed some work at Bethel, they are lying to faithful and compliant JWs-- and we all know who the father of the lie is, don't we?

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    leavingwt asked: Recovery: Welcome! Have you read either of Ray Franz's books? I've read bits and pieces of In Search of Christian Freedom and the part about the Mexico Military issue in the Crisis of Conscience. Why do you ask?

    I really enjoyed them, and I thought perhaps you would, too.

  • moshe
    moshe

    I like "cute" pictures that are easy to understand. JWs are not known for pursuing higher education- I guess that is why the circular reasoning that the WT writers use fools them everytime-

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    moshe said:

    The Watchtower Society and Vincent Toole Solicitors then presented rebuttal argument that the "faithful and discreet slave" did not exist but were nothing more than a:-

    "theological arrangement"

    A massive gasp could be heard emanating from the gallery from amongst a group of Jehovah's Witnesses who had attended to watch the hearing. It is worth noting that Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that to deny the "faithful and discreet slave" is to deny the Christ and that those who deny the Christ are the antichrist."

    And those same gasping JWs were no doubt told later by the elders not to worry, that it was simply a court-room strategy needed to counter the legal tactics of the accuser, Satan, in order to defend the Mother.

    And the sad thing is, the faithful R&F probably accepted that explanation...

    Truly sad when EVEN IF THE PERSON who tells the lie TELLS THEM it actually was a lie, some will still NOT accept it because it means admitting their judgment was not sound; their entire ego and being is on the line, since they're so heavily invested in the idea....

    A fundamental weakness of some humans is to only accept ideas they WANT to accept, with the power of self-delusion being so intoxicating to drink for some that they prefer to keep their rose-colored glasses....

  • moshe
    moshe

    JWs are a greedy lot, who think they can get everlasting life, just by peddling some WT rags on the street and sitting in a few hours worth of meetings each week. A KS has pointed out- they believe the WT lies, because they choose to. However, once it is known that your leaders will lie to protect "mother's assets", there is no way to know when they are lying to the lowly JWs , either.

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