Latest WT: "Refusing to appear before a JC is like refusing medical treatment"

by cedars 99 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • BluesBrother
    BluesBrother

    refused to appear before a committee of elders assigned to help them.

    "Assigned to help"?? The very word Judicial committee puts it on to a legal footing. This is the judiciary of the congregation and it is not like any other meeting. Now it may be that they might find a person guilty of a carnal sin but repentant - that often happens, but when someone is, as they say "mentally diseased" then there can only be one outcome.

    They are meeting to "keep the congregation clean" by expelling the one who disagrees ...They are there to help themselves , that is all

  • VM44
    VM44

    The "elders" are congregational managers appointed by The Watchtower Corporation.

    The name change to "Christian Congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses" does not change the fact that The Watchtower controls the operation of the congregations.

  • Darth Rutherford
    Darth Rutherford

    Some believe the judicial committee is like our modern-day court where the evidence is presented and a guility vs. innocent verdict is given.

    It is not. In reality it is very much like the Sanhedrin with Jesus. They had already found Jesus guilty. They assembled in order to find a way to execute him.

    A judicial committee is formed after an investigation has been performed. The brothers on the investigation may present the evidence to the body - or determine on their own that the evidence (circumstantial or not) is damning or not. The JC is formed after they determine the person is guilty. This JC is to decide what the discipline will be: private reproof, public reproof, or disfellowshipping. Discipline is determined by the perception that the person is repentant or not. It's all jacked up.

    When invited to a JC - trust me... you are already guilty. There is no leaving a judicial committee "innocent." One may appeal the comittee... and I heard of one case that was overruled and the person was exonerated -But that is VERY rare. 99.999% of the time you are leaving that room with no privileges... or no association.

    Going to a medical facility that behaved like the Pharisaical judicial committee would be akin to going to a death panel and letting them determine how you will die. They are not interested in helping you... only "keeping the congregation clean."

  • MrFreeze
    MrFreeze

    Medical treatment by who? Jack Kevorkian?

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Quendi: I believe you are describing the "judicial committee" trial the Sanhedrin had for Jesus Christ. It is an apt and chilling biblical example of the WTS way of doing things, isn't it?

    Ding! Give the man a prize!

    It's really is eye-opening and mind-opening when you realize that the modern day Judicial Hearing Procedures of JWs are almost completely the same as the Biblical account of the trial of Christ. The only thing missing is the crucifixion at the end. But then disfellowshipping and shunning are the modern psychological equivalents.

    Have you read Michel Foucault's Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison. It is an interrogation of the social and theoretical mechanisms behind the massive changes that occurred in western penal systems during the modern age.

    Foucault begins by contrasting two forms of penalty: the violent and chaotic public torture of Robert-François Damiens, who was convicted of attempted regicide in the mid-18th century, and the highly regimented daily schedule for inmates from an early 19th century prison. These examples provide a picture of just how profound the changes in western penal systems were after less than a century.

    Foucault wants the reader to consider what led to these changes. How did western culture shift so radically?

    He believes that the question of the nature of these changes is best asked by assuming that they weren't used to create a more humanitarian penal system, nor to more exactly punish or rehabilitate, but as part of a continuing trajectory of subjection.

    Prison is a form used by the "disciplines", a new technological power, which can also be found, according to Foucault, in schools, hospitals, military barracks, etc.

    The shift was primarily from a PHYSICAL form of subjection to a PSYCHOLOGICAL form. It would seem that the WTBTS model of psychological subjection is right in keeping with Mr. Foucault's theory.

    MrFreeze: Medical treatment by who? Jack Kevorkian?

    Apparently you don't know Jack. Dr. Death only assisted in suicides of terminal patients that wanted to die with dignity. Hardly the same as a JW Judicial Committee. That's "spiritual murder" with all shreds of dignity carefully and painfully stripped away.

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    And this is the religion that self-righteously cautions against "going beyond the things written" (in the Bible)?

  • 00DAD
    00DAD

    Right James, unless THEY write it because THEY are "God's Spirit Directed Organization" doncha' know!

  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    wow, now the entertainment you watch and play will dictate if you can be an MS? good luck getting any young male under 30 to not play violent games. LOL

    the more they tighten their grip the more the flock will slip away. this is great.

  • blondie
    blondie

    *** w11 4/15 p. 15 par. 11 Make Decisions That Honor God ***Elders make decisions that affect the congregation. However, they make sure that they “do not go beyond the things that are written” in God’s Word. (1 Cor. 4:6) They also follow closely the direction they receive from the faithful slave. (Matt. 24:45-47)

    *** w08 4/15 p. 7 par. 19 Repudiate “Valueless Things” ***A sound rule is found in the words of the apostle Paul: “Do not go beyond the things that are written.” (1 Cor. 4:6) Elders do not go beyond the things that are written in the Bible. And by extension, they do not go beyond the Bible-based counsel written in the publications of the faithful and discreet slave.

    *** w06 5/1 p. 19 par. 11 Shepherds Who Are “Examples to the Flock” ***After praying for holy spirit, they base their decisions on Bible principles and on guidelines published by “the faithful and discreet slave.” (Matthew 24:45-47; 1 Corinthians 4:6)

    *** w97 6/1 p. 14 par. 7 A Secret Christians Dare Not Keep! ***Never should we become impatient with Jehovah’s arrangement, indiscreetly trying to rush ahead of the Revealer of secrets. How reassuring it is to know that the channel Jehovah is using today does not do so! It is both faithful and discreet.—Matthew 24:45; 1 Corinthians 4:6.

  • sabastious
    sabastious

    Anyone can call themselves a doctor.

    -Sab

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