Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong? (page 16)

sabastious

Sab, do you think an atheist can be qualified to be President of the US?

Yes, in fact I find the prospect very intriguing.

-Sab

NewChapter

By insisting on calling someone who believes in a 6 day creation intellectually deficient,

I don't recall ever saying that. Believe in 6 days of creation all you want, deny science, ignore evidence. Just keep your eye off the classroom. It has nothing to do with intelligence (although it can, but that's a different matter), it has to do with cognitive dissonance---

Do you think that an atheist is qualified to be president of the US?

NC

tec

How would one identify a God and its purposeful relationship with mankind without these maligning corrupt religions controlled by men ?

By looking at Christ without religion, and following the golden rule - as well as His teachings of showing love, mercy, forgiveness, and serving one another?

Peace,

tammy

NewChapter

Yes, in fact I find the prospect very intriguing.

Then I think you have changed your view on this. What is intriguing about it?

NC

sabastious

Or would that create uniformity appealing solely to humanistic values for mankind ?

God is rooted in our culture, humanistic values are not new, who do you give the credit for the idea that humans have rights and that suffering is bad?

This account is pretty old and is extremely humanistic

Joseph and the Famine
Genesis 47 -13 There was no food, however, in the whole region because the famine was severe; both Egypt and Canaan wasted away because of the famine. 14 Joseph collected all the money that was to be found in Egypt and Canaan in payment for the grain they were buying, and he brought it to Pharaoh’s palace. 15 When the money of the people of Egypt and Canaan was gone, all Egypt came to Joseph and said, “Give us food. Why should we die before your eyes? Our money is all gone.”
16 “Then bring your livestock, ” said Joseph. “I will sell you food in exchange for your livestock, since your money is gone. ” 17 So they brought their livestock to Joseph, and he gave them food in exchange for their horses, their sheep and goats, their cattle and donkeys. And he brought them through that year with food in exchange for all their livestock.
18 When that year was over, they came to him the following year and said, “We cannot hide from our lord the fact that since our money is gone and our livestock belongs to you, there is nothing left for our lord except our bodies and our land. 19 Why should we perish before your eyes —we and our land as well? Buy us and our land in exchange for food, and we with our land will be in bondage to Pharaoh. Give us seed so that we may live and not die, and that the land may not become desolate.”
20 So Joseph bought all the land in Egypt for Pharaoh. The Egyptians, one and all, sold their fields, because the famine was too severe for them. The land became Pharaoh’s, 21 and Joseph reduced the people to servitude, [c] from one end of Egypt to the other. 22 However, he did not buy the land of the priests, because they received a regular allotment from Pharaoh and had food enough from the allotment Pharaoh gave them. That is why they did not sell their land.
23 Joseph said to the people, “Now that I have bought you and your land today for Pharaoh, here is seed for you so you can plant the ground. 24 But when the crop comes in, give a fifth of it to Pharaoh. The other four-fifths you may keep as seed for the fields and as food for yourselves and your households and your children.”
25 “You have saved our lives,” they said. “May we find favor in the eyes of our lord; we will be in bondage to Pharaoh.”
26 So Joseph established it as a law concerning land in Egypt—still in force today—that a fifth of the produce belongs to Pharaoh. It was only the land of the priests that did not become Pharaoh’s.
27 Now the Israelites settled in Egypt in the region of Goshen. They acquired property there and were fruitful and increased greatly in number.
28 Jacob lived in Egypt seventeen years, and the years of his life were a hundred and forty-seven. 29 When the time drew near for Israel to die, he called for his son Joseph and said to him, “If I have found favor in your eyes, put your hand under my thigh and promise that you will show me kindness and faithfulness. Do not bury me in Egypt, 30 but when I rest with my fathers, carry me out of Egypt and bury me where they are buried.”
“I will do as you say,” he said.
31 “Swear to me,” he said. Then Joseph swore to him, and Israel worshiped as he leaned on the top of his staff. [d]

-Sab

sabastious

Then I think you have changed your view on this. What is intriguing about it?

I may have been wary of the idea in the past, but I study humanism like I study a religion. They do good work. I find it intriguing because he/she would have to be elected. I think it is important to elect minorities that are looked down upon because that means society has transcended a prejudice which means we are closer to real prosperity.

-Sab

sabastious

I don't recall ever saying that. Believe in 6 days of creation all you want, deny science, ignore evidence. Just keep your eye off the classroom.

By setting that kind of boundry you are going to have to fight a war, you know that right? Richard Dawkins is the one that says they are intellectually deficient and you hang off of his words like he's the brother of Jesus or something. Who cares if they teach that the earth was created in 6 days? Seriously? They have the internet and can fact check.

-Sab

tec

I would love to see an atheist for president (or whatever title for whatever country). At least they would not be able to abuse the name of God by saying He wants or approves a certain war or policy.

Peace,

tammy

NewChapter

Okay---but minority status aside. Do you think they would handle the job differently, and if so, is this good or bad in your eyes?

NC

Finkelstein

By looking at Christ without religion, and following the golden rule - as well as His teachings of showing love, mercy, forgiveness, and serving one another?

But how about another important factor in following the Christ which you left out and that is the total redemption for sin.

This one singular aspect to being a following believer of the Christ has killed millions and has cause untold damage and grief upon humanity.

In being of truthful acceptance and understanding of human psychology such as it is.

One thing that Christian apologists seemingly always avoid to recognize .

Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

Joseph and the Famine

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