New Light

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  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    There is no new light: only new crap piled onto old crap.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    [email protected]!!!!!!..

    .......................... ...OUTLAW

  • Awen
    Awen

    May You Have Peace,

    The following information is pulled from the blog that Spade linked at the outset.

    http://www.watchtower21.org/2011/01/what-is-false-prophet.html

    A false prophet as described in the Old Testament under the Mosaic Law Covenant:

    The Law covenant between Jehovah and the nation of natural Israel was made in the third month after their leaving Egypt, in 1513 B.C.E. (Ex 19:1) It was a national covenant. One born a natural Israelite was, by birth, in the Law covenant and was thus in this special relationship with Jehovah. The Law was in the form of a code, arranged in an orderly way, its statutes grouped together. The Law was transmitted through angels by the hand of a mediator. (Ga 3:19)

    "‘However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him.' Deuteronomy 18:20-22

    A false prophet as described in the Christian Greek Scriptures, in union with Jesus Christ, mediator of the new covenant:

    Jehovah foretold the new covenant by the prophet Jeremiah in the seventh century B.C.E., stating that it would not be like the Law covenant, which Israel broke. (Jer 31:31-34) On the night before his death, Nisan 14, 33 C.E., when he established the celebration of the Lord's Evening Meal, Jesus Christ announced the new covenant, to be validated by his sacrifice. (Lu 22:20) On the 50th day from his resurrection and 10 days after he had ascended to his Father, he poured out the holy spirit, which he had received from Jehovah, on his disciples gathered in an upper room in Jerusalem.-Ac 2:1-4, 17, 33; 2Co 3:6, 8, 9; Heb 2:3, 4.

    The New Covenant established Christianity and is defined in the New Testament. This is what has direct application to Christians.

    "Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep's covering, but inside they are ravenous wolves. By their fruits you will recognize them. Never do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those [men]. Matthew 7:15-20

    However, there also came to be false prophets among the people, as there will also be false teachers among you. These very ones will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that bought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves. 2 Peter 2:1

    Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into the world. 1 John 4:1

    * A person's actions can designate a religious leader a false prophet.

    According to the Catholic Encyclopedia and other sources, Benedict IX was around 18 to 20 years old when made pontiff, although some sources claim 11 or 12. He reportedly led an extremely dissolute life, and also allegedly had few qualifications for the papacy other than connections with a socially powerful family, although in terms of theology and the ordinary activities of the Church he was entirely orthodox. St. Peter Damian described him as "feasting on immorality" and "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest" in the Liber Gomorrhianus. The Catholic Encyclopedia calls him "a disgrace to the Chair of Peter."

    * A person that promotes false teachings inside the Christian congregation is described as a false prophet.

    * A person that claims to be under divine inspiration and promotes false teachings is also described as a false prophet.

    A person can speak about the future in infallible terms without being labeled a "false prophet."

    Awake! 3/22/1993 pp. 3-4 Why So Many False Alarms?

    Does the failure of such predictions to come true convict as false prophets those who made them, within the meaning of Deuteronomy 18:20-22? That text reads: "The prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: ‘How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?' when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak."

    There are some who make spectacular predictions of the world's end to grab attention and a following, but others are sincerely convinced that their proclamations are true. They are voicing expectations based on their own interpretation of some scripture text or physical event. They do not claim that their predictions are direct revelations from Jehovah and that in this sense they are prophesying in Jehovah's name. Hence, in such cases, when their words do not come true, they should not be viewed as false prophets such as those warned against at Deuteronomy 18:20-22. In their human fallibility, they misinterpreted matters.

    Jehovah's Witnesses, in their eagerness for Jesus' second coming, have suggested dates that turned out to be incorrect. Because of this, some have called them false prophets. Never in these instances, however, did they presume to originate predictions ‘in the name of Jehovah.' Never did they say, ‘These are the words of Jehovah.' The Watchtower, the official journal of Jehovah's Witnesses, has said: "We have not the gift of prophecy." (January 1883, page 425) "Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." (December 15, 1896, page 306) The Watchtower has also said that the fact that some have Jehovah's spirit "does not mean those now serving as Jehovah's witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine The Watchtower are inspired and infallible and without mistakes." (May 15, 1947, page 157) "The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic." (August 15, 1950, page 263) "The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)"-February 15, 1981, page 19.

    [End of linked Blog information]

    If the WTS isn't inspired then why should anyone listen to anything they have to say? What makes them any differnt than any other religion? From their own publications, linked fro your own website, the WTS clearly says they aren't inspired.

    However is this claim true?

    "The Lord has graciously provided for the publication of his message in the form of books, that the people many be informed of the truth....those books do not contain the opinion of any man." (Riches, 1936, p. 384, 385)

    If these are not men's words then whose words are they?

    Definitions of inspired on the Web:

    * divine: being of such surpassing excellence as to suggest inspiration by the gods; "her pies were simply divine"; "the divine Shakespeare"; "an elysian meal"; "an inspired performance"
    wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    "In this volume we offer a chain of testimony on the subject of God's appointed times and seasons, each link of which we consider Scripturally strong...It is beyond the breadth and depth of human thought and therefore cannot be of human origin. (Studies In The Scriptures, 1889, vol. 2, p. 15)

    " There is no organization today clothed with such divine authority to imperiously command mankind...though we are well aware that many of them in theory claim that they ought to be permitted to do so. (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1893, p. 266)

    "In all his (Russell's) warnings he claimed no originality. He said that he could never have written his books himself. It all came from God, through the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit." (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 7, p. 387.)

    "We have not the gift of prophecy... The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in it's utterances, nor is it dogmatic." (March 22, 1993 Awake!, footnote)

    So in one breath the WTS claims that their information doesn't come from man, but from God, but then they say they aren't inspired. Yet Witnesses are to follow what they say as if the information is inspired because if they don't then they are guilty of Apostasy. Apostasy from whom? From a non-inspired group of men?

    If that is the case, then everyone is safe. They can't have it both ways and this is clearly what the WTS is trying to do.

    They claim not to be inspired, but JW's must obey them as if they were.

    Peace,

    Awen

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    OverLapping WBT$ Generations..

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    I`m still Laughing Josie!..LOL!!

    .......................... ...OUTLAW

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Glad you like it Outlaw. I feel so honored.

  • jehovahsheep
    jehovahsheep

    i believe the new light today can be found in preterism.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Oooo, a new word! I had to look it up:

    Preterism is an interpretation of Christian eschatology which holds that most or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the End Times refer to events which have already happened in the 1st century after Christ's birth. The system also claims that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is listed in Webster's 1913 dictionary as a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond," signifying that either all or a majority of Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70. Adherents of Preterism are commonly known as Preterists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism

  • laverite
    laverite

    My favorite is the expression: "New Light, Old Shite."

  • avengers
    avengers

    Anybody for some bologna?

  • finallysomepride
    finallysomepride

    As others have said "truth doesn't change"

    The JWs should be believing very much exactly what was taught in 1919, but no, the religion of 1919 is totally different to 2011. Get my point?

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