Like we'll ever settle this once and for all, but here goes; ARE YOU A TRUE CHRISTIAN?

by nicolaou 77 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Again another wise voice pointed out that it is not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting; it is that it has been found difficult and left untried.

    Very well said.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    "Again another wise voice pointed out that it is not that Christianity has been tried and found wanting; it is that it has been found difficult and left untried."

    What utter nonsense! After almost two millenia and thousands of denominations only an ignorant, blinkered fool could say that Christianity has been 'left untried'!

    I never cease to be amazed at my own capacity for being stunned by religious self-delusion.

    Nic'

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    What utter nonsense! After almost two millenia and thousands of denominations only an ignorant, blinkered fool could say that Christianity has been 'left untried'!
    I never cease to be amazed at my own capacity for being stunned by religious self-delusion.
    Nic'

    Nice one, I especially liek the insult that you added, just to make sure you got your point across.

    Well done, and a fine example of excellent debating skills !

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    It could be argued that your polite 'sidestepping' of my valid point is as poor a debating skill as my abrasive manner. Oh well, I'll ask more nicely if it might get a proper reply;

    After almost two millenia and thousands of denominations how can one reasonably argue that Christianity has been 'left untried'!

    Nice Nic'

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    LOL !
    Nice one.

    Not goona speak for Marcus, he does a fien job of that himself.

    But I tend to agree that, at its core and at a organized religion level, Christianity has NOT really been tried and I don't think it woudl work, it is not a "organized religion" type of religion and that is why it fails miserably at it.

    At a personal level it works great, and that is because it is a personal relationship wiht God through Jesus type of deal.

    It doesn't wotk based on Laws and rules per say like Judaisim and Islam, even the apostles expressed their faith in different and soemtimes in what appeared to be contridicting ways.

    And that was OK, see, Jesus was a personal experience for them and is suppose to be that way for Us too, God is a personal God, the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob ( notice that it was not mentioned that God is a God of Rabbies, Levis, or any other organization group?).

    God appeared to individuals, not "organizations" , when Jesus cam he came to a group of fishermen, a tax collector and assorted rabble, not to any organization either.

    Christianity, for it to work, must be personal.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Religion has nothing to offer a rational, skeptical atheist like me, atheism on the other hand has something the religious would love to have - credibility.

    I love your choice of words:

    Atheism is credible!

    Latin:credo-->I believe-->credible

    I think my belief in God is credible, it isn't something I'd love to have, I have it. For me, if it wasn't credible, it wouldn't be credible.

    BTS

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Nic

    My atheism is a simple absence of belief but (sigh) I'm sure you take atheism to mean a belief in god's non-existence. Atheism really needs no support, it isn't positing anything.

    Really?

    So which type of atheist are you?

    The type who can't "know" anything, or the type who knows everything?

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    BTS: Fair point and well put, credibility may well be in the eye of the beholder. I'm struggling to find the right word to replace it though - plausibilty?

    DD: "So which type of atheist are you? The type who can't "know" anything, or the type who knows everything?"

    Why does it have to be nothing or everything?! I have always accepted that god might exist (check my topic history) but I just don't see any convincing evidence of it. I don't share your belief that he is there, what's so difficult about that?

    So how about you DD? What type of Christian are you?

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    Nic

    Why does it have to be nothing or everything?

    The way you speak of rationality and reason being the way you've reached your conclusion... "lack of belief", I thought you might know.

    If I understand your answer (please correct me if I'm wrong) you're the type who says there's no way to "know" anything for sure.

    So how about you DD? What type of Christian are you?

    I'm the type that puts my "faith" in Christ.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou
    If I understand your answer (please correct me if I'm wrong) you're the type who says there's no way to "know" anything for sure.

    You're wrong. There are lots of things I 100% know for sure and there are lots of other things I have doubt about. There are things I believe are true and there are no doubt prejudices towards which I mistakenly lean.

    You do seem to have an issue with people "knowing" things DD - is there a point you're driving at?

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