Ex-Atheists: What Changed Your Mind?

by leavingwt 84 Replies latest jw friends

  • smiddy
    smiddy

    A journey through ones religious experience can be complex and diverse.I was brought up in a non religous family,however we kids were sent off to sunday school every week(probably to give my parents some quality time alone together)By the time I was a teenager I wanted nothing to do with religion,however I must have had a curiosity towards the bible,for when I was 19 I studied the bible(really wt publications)with jw`s.I then became a total beleiver for 33 yrs.Having exited the cult since 1993,I have gone through what I thought was agnostic/atheism or atheism/agnostic to my cvurrent position,which is,I do not beleive in the god of the bible as such.too many inconsistincies,contradictions ,absurdities,interpretations,etc.etc. I would describe myself now as an agnostic leaning towards atheism.The one problem I have is the apparent design of all living things,however diverse these living things are.I just cannot accept this is all due to time and chance.

    smiddy

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    smiddy -- Thank you for your comments.

    I would describe myself now as an agnostic leaning towards atheism.The one problem I have is the apparent design of all living things,however diverse these living things are.I just cannot accept this is all due to time and chance.

    If you're interested, many scientists have written things to address this thought. You may enjoy it.

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    The situation for ALL of us coming from a religious background is the need to fill a hole, a void. We had this indoctrination of a Deity that when we leave religion of course the first thing we want is to find first the real "truth" thats why so many end up in a another christian religion. Then some if christianity doenst fit the bill we go one layer above which is abrahamic religions. if faith in the bible is completely lost then we look for religion in general. But we always look for something we lost. We think we look for the truth but really we look for the truth we lost. We look for the God we lost.

    The honest think to do is to question why looking for God in the first place. We try to prove creation because thats where we come from. Pretty much like the Archeologist from the past centuries that look in the "holly land" for evidence that the written record in the bible was true rather than to look and see what they will find. And let the evidence talk. That is so difficult because it would mean erase everything we know and start anew.

    "Questioning everything is the key to looking for everything", you dont look for what you already think you know. Then the honest question to ask is why do i know what I know? Why do I believe in Evolution? or in God? or in Jesus? or in Allah? Why? who told me so? because I feel it? Because i feel it in my heart? Because I want to know?

    Sometimes I realize that I have been put a "fabricated need" in my heart. Why should I care about God? not why you should care but why I should?

    TV commercials make me believe I need to have specific things and I accept it as a fact. Then I go and buy then. I could even make a case as to why I need them. Reality is I dont need them. I was made believe I do. So now I wonder what else have I been sold to?

    Reminds me of something A Einstein said:

    From a correspondence between Ensign Guy H. Raner and Albert Einstein in 1945 and 1949. Einstein responds to the accusation that he was converted by a Jesuit priest: "I have never talked to a Jesuit prest in my life. I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist." "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from religious indoctrination received in youth." Freethought Today, November 2004

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    cyberjesus -- Thank you. I would like to highlight this portion of the Einstein quote the you shared with us, above:

    "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a childlike one.You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from religious indoctrination received in youth."

  • Terry
    Terry

    Here is the problem, as far as I'm concerned.

    You can create a file folder and name it anything you like. But, once you do, that folder sits on your desktop EMPTY!

    You put it there (or, somebody else told you you needed one.)

    How easy or how hard is it to simply delete the folder?

    We are talking about God. No two people really are talking about the same thing.

    God has always been whatever folder a person named it.

    Think about it----this....this.....God is supposed to be all these superlatives and yet is INVISIBLE.

    Wouldn't a real God be absolutely stunningly INESCAPABLE??

    A real God would be a person about whom you could never assert a non-existence! It would be a locial absurdity.

    But, we are all stuck with this folder on our desktop.

    Some people keep it filled with countless data collected from many sources. The file is full.

    Others keep the file empty. Nothing seems to matter worth saving in it.

    Here is what I do............................ I delete the file.

    On my desktop there is no longer a God file.

    Your God still exists.

    I don't even have a folder.

    I am not atheist. Why? Because I cannot make myself BELIEVE there is something to not believe. It is a non-issue. Is there a Jove or Athena? Not an issue. Not worth bothering to think about.

    I am not an agnostic. Why? Because there is nothing for me to doubt. Once again, there is nothing there to doubt. Is Elvis still alive? Is Bigfoot real? Do space aliens kidnap people and probe them? Not worth doubting.

    I am not a believer. Why? I can't find anything barely feasible to start with. I look at people who believe and I don't want to be them.

    So, my mind HAS changed.

    I've deleted the God file altogether.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    We are talking about God. No two people really are talking about the same thing.

    Terry, that applies to nearly all things not reduced to formal logic and mathematics, not just God.

    BTS

  • Knowsnothing
    Knowsnothing

    Hey LWT, this seems to sum up your experience. I hope you don't mind my posting, to show yours isn't a unique one. BTW, thanks for mentioning this thread.

    http://www.courses.vcu.edu/ENG200-dwc/hughes.htm

    "Salvation"

    By Langston Huges

    I was saved from sin when I was going on thirteen. But not really saved. It happened like this. There was a big revival at my Auntie Reed's church. Every night for weeks there had been much preaching, singing, praying, and shouting, and some very hardened sinners had been brought to Christ, and the membership of the church had grown by leaps and bounds. Then just before the revival ended, they held a special meeting for children, "to bring the young lambs to the fold." My aunt spoke of it for days ahead. That night I was escorted to the front row and placed on the mourners' bench with all the other young sinners, who had not yet been brought to Jesus.

    My aunt told me that when you were saved you saw a light, and something happened to you inside! And Jesus came into your life! And God was with you from then on! She said you could see and hear and feel Jesus in your soul. I believed her. I had heard a great many old people say the same thing and it seemed to me they ought to know. So I sat there calmly in the hot, crowded church, waiting for Jesus to come to me.

    The preacher preached a wonderful rhythmical sermon, all moans and shouts and lonely cries and dire pictures of hell, and then he sang a song about the ninety and nine safe in the fold, but one little lamb was left out in the cold. Then he said: "Won't you come? Won't you come to Jesus? Young lambs, won't you come?" And he held out his arms to all us young sinners there on the mourners' bench. And the little girls cried. And some of them jumped up and went to Jesus right away. But most of us just sat there.

    A great many old people came and knelt around us and prayed, old women with jet-black faces and braided hair, old men with work-gnarled hands. And the church sang a song about the lower lights are burning, some poor sinners to be saved. And the whole building rocked with prayer and song.

    Still I kept waiting to see Jesus.

    Finally all the young people had gone to the altar and were saved, but one boy and me. He was a rounder's son named Westley. Westley and I were surrounded by sisters and deacons praying. It was very hot in the church, and getting late now. Finally Westley said to me in a whisper: "God damn! I'm tired o' sitting here. Let's get up and be saved." So he got up and was saved.

    Then I was left all alone on the mourners' bench. My aunt came and knelt at my knees and cried, while prayers and song swirled all around me in the little church. The whole congregation prayed for me alone, in a mighty wail of moans and voices. And I kept waiting serenely for Jesus, waiting, waiting - but he didn't come. I wanted to see him, but nothing happened to me. Nothing! I wanted something to happen to me, but nothing happened.

    I heard the songs and the minister saying: "Why don't you come? My dear child, why don't you come to Jesus? Jesus is waiting for you. He wants you. Why don't you come? Sister Reed, what is this child's name?"

    "Langston," my aunt sobbed.

    "Langston, why don't you come? Why don't you come and be saved? Oh, Lamb of God! Why don't you come?"

    Now it was really getting late. I began to be ashamed of myself, holding everything up so long. I began to wonder what God thought about Westley, who certainly hadn't seen Jesus either, but who was now sitting proudly on the platform, swinging his knickerbockered legs and grinning down at me, surrounded by deacons and old women on their knees praying. God had not struck Westley dead for taking his name in vain or for lying in the temple. So I decided that maybe to save further trouble, I'd better lie, too, and say that Jesus had come, and get up and be saved.

    So I got up.

    Suddenly the whole room broke into a sea of shouting, as they saw me rise. Waves of rejoicing swept the place. Women leaped in the air. My aunt threw her arms around me. The minister took me by the hand and led me to the platform.

    When things quieted down, in a hushed silence, punctuated by a few ecstatic "Amens," all the new young lambs were blessed in the name of God. Then joyous singing filled the room.

    That night, for the first time in my life but one for I was a big boy twelve years old - I cried. I cried, in bed alone, and couldn't stop. I buried my head under the quilts, but my aunt heard me. She woke up and told my uncle I was crying because the Holy Ghost had come into my life, and because I had seen Jesus. But I was really crying because I couldn't bear to tell her that I had lied, that I had deceived everybody in the church, that I hadn't seen Jesus, and that now I didn't believe there was a Jesus anymore, since he didn't come to help me.

  • ammo
    ammo

    Thanks for the referal LWT, good to see a thread like this can be debated without it getting all abusive so one can actually just consider the facts, feelings of posters rather than deciphyor through the insults which is just tiring.

    Me these days- wavering more to the belief theres something bigger an energy or something that sways us, motivates or strengthens, as much as I would like to consider atheism like many have said on this thread, theres just something missing, theres a bleakness to it- for me not others I get that, but at the moment I liken it to sitting in a dentist surgery,everything is there too make the pain go away, and its factual even logical in how they will treat you,and there's a remedy, but the room is still grey without warmth, and color, its not the sort of place I want to stick around in, we have all these emotions, love's, passion's they all seem to pale drastically when there is nothing to hope in but ourselves, I mean really look where we are, supposedly now evolved and ever increasing in intelligence, yet still nothings getting better in regard to our earth or its people's problems, its not meant to sound doomsday, but it is a fact. It seems just as empty to me to believe in nothing,( because thats what atheism is to me, the belief in nothing) than to believe in something unseen but clearly felt within.

    This is a'where I'm at now conclusion" after 3 months out of the K Hall, I wonder where I will be in a years time, I hope though whatever conclusion I end up coming to will still enable me to have faith that things can get better, and also to be able to accept others beliefs without ripping them to shreds, I hope I don't lose the ability to feel compassion, or the ability to make an egg of myself and just laugh, thats one thing I will say we ALL need its good for the soul, -I guess the soul goes too, if your an atheist- not sure maybe thats another thread.

    Thanks LWT always enjoy your posts.

    Ammo

    x

  • InterestedOne
    InterestedOne

    Ammo - Here are two things that came to my mind after reading your post. The first is a quote regarding the transcendent and the numinous that addresses the notion that an atheistic worldview results in a lack of color:

    "It’s innate in us to be overawed by certain moments, say, at evening on a mountaintop or sunset on the boundaries of the ocean. Or, in my case, looking through the Hubble telescope at those extraordinary pictures. We have a sense of awe and wonder at something beyond ourselves, and so we should, because our own lives are very transient and insignificant. That’s the numinous, and there’s enough wonder in the natural world without any resort to the supernatural being required." (Christopher Hitchens)

    The second is a link that serves to balance the doomsday outlook:

    http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    True atheists don't change their mind. If someone leaves the path of atheism it only goes to show they were never really true atheists in the first place.

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