Did You Exit the Witnesses Due to Injustices / Difference with Doctrine-Both?

by flipper 67 Replies latest jw friends

  • flipper

    LONG HAIR GAL- Happy new year to you as well ! Good to hear from you. I understand what you're saying in how single women were treated with much disrespect. It's like the elders thought ALL single women should pioneer because they allegedly had " less " responsibilities of children or a husband. Which was BS because single women had MORE responsibilities because of having to do everything for themselves ! And I too disagreed with their view of higher education. And like you, I was so thankful to have the internet to research info on the witnesses to clear things up

  • flipper

    Going to work all night later so wanted to bump to the top if any wanted to share their experiences. Thanks, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

  • Quillsky

    For me it was neither doctrine nor injustice.

    The JW people I knew and sometimes loved were good and fair people. And like, I suspect, most JWs I wasn't wrapped up in doctrine. Studying all the silly dates and things was just something we did because in our cluelessness we thought that was the right thing to do.

    I think I started waking up from the haze while out in "service", ironically.

    I recall, while auxilliary pioneering, going from door to door in the sunshine and meeting exceptionally nice people, with real lives and real personalities, and starting to think:

    "Hang on, what am I actually offering these good people? A lifetime of meetings every second day, doing more, doing more, (excluding useful stuff like charity work), then having their entire families and all their friends destroyed at Armageddon?"

    It was only after I successfully faded that I came online and realised that almost all the doctrines are a complete crock of bull.

  • RR

    injustices, doctrines and the Lies

  • coffee_black

    This was my journey out. I wrote this a while back, when telling a current jw why I left. (originally posted a couple of years ago on a similar thread)

    For a number of years, I had concerns. Something just didn’t feel right. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but like any good JW, I tried to ignore the red flags that arose over time. There were many issues, but I’ll only touch on a just a couple because this will get very long if I try to include everything from a span of many years.

    1: My dad died in 1978 of kidney failure. During his lengthy illness the subject of kidney transplant arose. My parents sought the advice of the society, and found that, according to the society, organ transplantation was “against Jehovah’s law”, and that it amounted to cannibalism. My dad did not have a transplant as a direct result of this reasoning. He remained on dialysis (which was not enough in his case) until his death. Two years later, the society changed their policy, and it became a matter of conscience as to whether or not to have a transplant.

    I cannot tell you the emotion I felt when reading the “questions from the readers” that was the vehicle for the policy change. Now, most JWs will say that …”well, he was faithful and he’ll be back in the new system.” The question is “who was he faithful to?” It wasn’t Jehovah that demanded that he abstain from a transplant. His death did not result from being faithful to Jehovah…and faithfulness to the instruction of an organization is not the basis by which one gains salvation. Further, my dad was 68 years old when he died, a relatively young man. No one can replace the years he lost… I have 2 children who would have loved to have had a grandfather. He would have enriched their lives immensely. Now, who claims responsibility for this? Was it Jehovah who made the mistake? No….Jehovah does not make mistakes. The society went “beyond what is written” with terrible consequences, consequences that they do not take responsibility for…or even apologize for.

    At that point, I was still very much “in” the organization, and I tried very hard to avoid thinking about it.

    2: When my son was about 7 years old, one of his friends from the congregation, an elder’s son came for a visit. They were outside playing when a little boy from the neighborhood wanted to join them. The elder’s son started screaming at the little boy telling him that Jehovah hated him….that he wasn’t one of Jehovah’s witnesses and that he was going to die at Armageddon. I heard the commotion and went outside to see the little boy in tears and my son trying to comfort him. I called the elder and asked him to come and get his son. Where does that kind of hatred come from? Any religion that teaches a child to hate is not only unchristian, it’s dangerous.

    Still in…trying to rationalize this as an isolated incident…

    3: When my daughter was 13, she was very observant, wise beyond her years. She saw things going on in the congregation that she knew were wrong. She asked me on several occasions “Where is the love….isn’t that supposed to be the identifying mark of the true religion? Well, where is it?” I had no answer for her because she was right. It wasn’t there. It wasn’t just one congregation either. We were in several in Florida. I have attended congregations from MA to CA to Fl. The most important identifying mark… and it is virtually absent….

    Still in, still trying to make excuses….

    Many many more issues arose over time, and I continued to push them to the back of my mind. It got awfully crowded back there….and finally after my divorce in 1990 I decided to assess my life, and examine all that I believed. It was a turning point for me.

    As a JW I had told countless people to examine their religion. I had never taken my own advice. I decided to do so. If it really was the truth, I would apply myself “whole-souled” If it wasn’t, it was time I knew. It was Fall, 1990. I was 38 years old.

    I have an extensive library of JW publications that goes back to the turn of the 20 th century. I started at the beginning, and read continuously. It took nearly 2 years, and it broke my heart.

    The society claims that they were chosen to represent Jehovah in 1918-1919 (depending on which publication you reference.) They claim that they were chosen based on the fact that they, and they alone were teaching Bible truths. If they were truly chosen on that basis, why is it that the teachings of today have little if any resemblance to what they taught then? I know what they taught then, because I have read it from the original publications. Not the same teachings at all….not by any stretch of the imagination.

    The first really major books published by the society was the series “Studies in the Scriptures” The final volume was published in 1917, and was the most recent publication at the supposed time of their being chosen. I think every JW should have that book as required reading. It is filled with the craziest stuff I have ever read. And to add insult to injury, on the cover of this book (and all of the Studies in the Scriptures) is the symbol of the Egyptian sun God, Ra. Now I ask you, in examining the religions of the world, do you really think that Jehovah would choose a group that has the symbol of another god on the cover of their main teaching tool? And just what is it doing there to begin with?

    It got worse the more I read. Changing teachings…false prophecies… 1874…1914, 1918, 1925…on and on. The original calculation to get to the year 1914 was taken from the measurements of the “Great Pyramid of Giza” from something called the “Pyramid inch”….first written about by Charles Piazzi Smythe…a mystic. The “Ancient worthies” men like Abraham, Isaac & Jacob were supposed to be resurrected in 1925, and Judge Rutherford even had a mansion built for them, and deeded to them. It’s in San Diego, and it was sold in the early 40s after that prophecy failed. Did you know that Adam was the first Pharaoh…and he’s buried in the sphinx? Yup and Jehovah resides in the Pleadies…. On and on. No jw today believes any of this stuff, no thinking person would…but it’s the substance by which they were supposedly chosen by God.

    Ah, but you will say…we have new light!!! Look at Proverbs 4:18!! Please do, but this time read the whole chapter. This scripture does not teach “new light”. It is the story of a father teaching his son the best way to live his life… To sum it up: If you live a righteous life, you live an enlightened life. If you live a wicked life, you live in darkness. It has nothing to do with justifying changing teachings. Jehovah doesn’t change. Truth doesn’t change.

    This doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface. It is truly a mess. There is literally nothing to trust!

    Ah, but they are imperfect men, you say. They’ve made mistakes that’s all. Ok, then why not judge all religions by the same standard.? They are also made up of imperfect men. The society condemns all other religions for doing things that they themselves are guilty of. Why a double standard?

    As I said before, it would have been easier to ignore the evidence and stay. ..to bury my head and try to ignore the facts. It was all I ever knew…ever believed…and it crumbled before my eyes. My consciennce won’t allow me to remain part of that organization. Live up to their standards? No, it’s the other way around. They do not live up to my standards. And they definitely do not live up to Jehovah’s standards. Faithful and Discreet Slave? There is nothing faithful nor discreet about their record. They are not who they claim to be. Their history confirms this sad fact.


  • OnTheWayOut

    Coffee, I read your input here. Pretty sad about your dad.

    Good job sifting through evidence instead of burying your head in the sand.

  • zoiks

    Doctrine doctrine doctrine doctrine. Lies, coverups, lies, and also lies. Did I mention lies, coverups, and doctrine?

    I must add, though, that I have nothing personal against ANYONE in the congregations that I have associated with. They are full of unique individuals who have for the most part been duped and are doing the best that they can, given what they have to work with. I simply cannot go along with lies, even if it is the path of least resistance for a born-in JW.

    Edit: Coffee, I just went back and re-read your comments more carefully. It is amazing and powerful stuff. Thanks so much for bringing it back to a current thread since some of us newer folks may never have read it.

  • coffee_black

    Thanks Zoiks and Onthewayout. Sorry for the formatting... not sure what happened. I copied and pasted from the thread I first posted this on... and that looked perfectly normal... Here it's spread out all over the place... Couldn't seem to fix it either... ahhh well.....


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  • flipper

    QUILLSKY- Good points you make. I mean what were we going to offer people out in field service that they didn't already have ? Like you mentioned - many of these people were already happy with their lives and led happier more successful lives than many of us witnesses at the time . I too could not fathom a God who would destroy billions of innocent people. As you said- " what a croc ".

    RR- Exactly, injustices, doctrines, lies. My thoughts entirely, I agree.

    COFFEE BLACK- Thanks for sharing your story again sis ! I'm so sorry about what happened to your dad. It makes me so angry to see the callousness of the WT society and how they NEVER take responsibility for ANY changes they themselves make and how drastically it affects people's lives. The transplant issue, 1975, oral sex flip flop, blood fraction change , Malawi versus Mexico, I mean the list goes on and on ! People have lost their lives, family members, unecessary divorces, in the case of Malawi witnesses bludgeoned to death - and for what ? A WT corporation who will not admit to it's mistakes. It's really criminal actually. I liked how you phrased it that " your standards were higher than the WT society's standards and they didn't meet up to your standards " . I like that. It is so true. Great post by you, thanks !

    OTWO- It's so true that NONE of us should bury our heads in the sand but shout it from the rooftops about this criminal organization.

    ZOIKS- I agree with you that the rank and file witnesses have been duped and deceived. Many of them don't know any better due to being under the influence of cult mind control. However I hold the leaders of the WT society highly responsible for the damage they have done to families and peoples lives. Doctrine, lies, and coverups. I agree completely.

    LIFE IS TOO SHORT- BTTT to you to ! Thanks ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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