Examining Scripture to see if Jesus was, and is, God.

by jonathan dough 204 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lovelylil2
    lovelylil2

    Before I go.......has anyone discussed Hebrews chapter 1 yet. These verses clearly so Jesus is NOT an Angel but something much higher than that.

    1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

    5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
    "You are my Son;
    today I have become your Father? Or again,
    "I will be his Father,
    and he will be my Son"? 6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
    "Let all God's angels worship him." 7 In speaking of the angels he says,
    "He makes his angels winds,
    his servants flames of fire." 8 But about the Son he says,
    "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
    and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
    9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
    therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
    by anointing you with the oil of joy." 10 He also says,
    "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
    and the heavens are the work of your hands.
    11 They will perish, but you remain;
    they will all wear out like a garment.
    12 You will roll them up like a robe;
    like a garment they will be changed.
    But you remain the same,
    and your years will never end." 13

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    No the term Trinity is not in the bible, yet the concept sure is.

    I am not a Trinitarian and even I accept this.

  • jeremiahjs
    jeremiahjs

    If the son was the Father he would know his own return. Two seperate minds, seperate souls; if this wasn't true Jesus would know the time of his return.

    And it's written that God cannot lie Hebrews6:18, God does have limits, He cannot lie and is incapable of evil; God is way to Holy and God is Love and truth. Titus1:2

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento

    Hebrews Chapter 1 is all about refuting the misconception some Hebrews had that Jesus was simply another messenger (angel).

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    PS

    I am not a Trinitarian and even I accept this.

    We'll keep working on that until you figure out what you are.

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough
    and the Father is greater than the Son John14:28.

    the Jehovah’s Witnesses are unwilling or unable to acknowledge or grasp the concept of the hypostatic union, the union that is the God-man Jesus, who is fully God the Son and fully man, a divine Person who assumed a human nature. Intertwined with this concept is the often ignored principle that the created humanity of Jesus is not God. Accordingly, Jesus, the man in the God-man equation, could pray to His Father and acknowledge His Father’s superiority without committing any doctrinal contradictions. The Jehovah’s Witnesses, on the other hand, teach that the incarnate Jesus was nothing more or less than a man.

    Still only the Father knows the day and hour of the Son's returnMat.24:36,

    Just follow the link. I'm tired of repeating myself if you aren't going to pay attention.

    Jesus’ ignorance of the Last Day - Christ knew the Last Day in His vision knowledge which is inexpressible in human concepts, not His infused knowledge. But did the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of the Last Day?

  • PSacramento
    PSacramento
    If the son was the Father he would know his own return. Two seperate minds, seperate souls; if this wasn't true Jesus would know the time of his return.

    Two seperate minds and souls, united in spirit. A perfect union of purpose.

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough
    If the son was the Father he would know his own return. Two seperate minds, seperate souls; if this wasn't true Jesus would know the time of his return.
    And it's written that God cannot lie Hebrews6:18, God does have limits, He cannot lie and is incapable of evil; God is way to Holy and God is Love and truth. Titus1:2

    Hypostatic union; God-man. If you REALLY in your heart care about learning what is the truth you'll do some homework. Follow the link and quit thinking you have all the answers because none of us do.

    Jesus’ ignorance of the Last Day - Christ knew the Last Day in His vision knowledge which is inexpressible in human concepts, not His infused knowledge. But did the Holy Spirit know the day and hour of the Last Day?

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough
    Before I go.......has anyone discussed Hebrews chapter 1 yet. These verses clearly so Jesus is NOT an Angel but something much higher than that.

    Some have touched on it. It really is powerful stuff. Amazing how the JWs hide their eyes from such things. Here is my take on Chapter 1.

    http://144000.110mb.com/trinity/index-9.html#46

  • JosephMalik
    JosephMalik

    Jonathan,

    My double and somehow incomplete past missed the link intended for it. This link responds to your comments on the I am at: http://home.earthlink.net/~jmalik/beytrin.htm#_Toc244665984 With this link others can see what was intended by it.

    Joseph

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