May you have peace! I think perhaps you misunderstand me, so maybe I can clarify. You might also want to look up the verses I’ve quoted to see that I am not alone in what the Spirit has given me. Now, then:
He is the image of the original but not the original.
Yes. The IMAGE of the original, which is NOT the original itself, but a REFLECTION of it.
In him all the fullness of divinity dwelt but yet not GOD but a god (you have said all of this)...
Ummmm… noooooo... I did not say that, not at all (or I didn't mean to, so if it seems that I did, it truly was a typo. But I really don't think so). It is GOD, the MOST Holy One of Israel, and not "a god" who dwelt in him. But that does not make him, Christ, the MOST Holy One of Israel... any more than it makes ME the MOST Holy One of Israel. HE... is the HOLY One and Son of God; I am merely a good-for-nothing-servant... and "living stone." Yet, GOD, the MOST Holy One of Israel... also dwells IN ME. He is the HEAD of the Body [of Christ]... and I am a MEMBER of that Body [of Christ]. And it is IN that Body... God’s “temple” and “house”… that the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... dwells. Ephesians 2:21; John 14:23; Romans 8:9, 10
My questions who died for your sins?
My Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the HOLY One of Israel, Son and Christ, of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies…
who is your saviour?
The same One: my Lord, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the HOLY One of Israel, Son and Christ, of the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies…
we know to be jesus
I know him by his Hebrew name: JahEshua (Jah Saves; Salvation of Jah) MischaJah (chose/anointed of Jah). It is pronounced “Yah-eh-shua Meesha-Yah”. His name is never “Jesus.” That name is the English form of the Greek name, “Ieosus,” which means “Jah (Jeh) is (o) Zeus (sus).” In ancient Greek, the highest god… was Zeus; thus, those who spoke Greek considered Jah to be “Zeus” (Most High God). Because that name is also associated with the false Greek god, Zeus, I do not use it. IF I had to refer to my Lord by his name in ENGLISH… it would be “Joshua (JahShua, pronounced “YahShua”), the Chosen of Jah.” He is the blessed One… who comes in the name of Jah. Matthew 23:39
but if he is not GOD but a god (in the sense of been immortal and etc) then he can not save you from your sins.
That is not quite accurate. He is NOT “the GOD who takes away the sins of the world,” but “the LAMB of God… that takes away the sins of the world.” He is the only-begotten Son (by God’s free wife, Jerusalem Above)… offered as a sacrifice… the same as Abraham was to offer HIS only-begotten son (by HIS free wife, Sarah), Isaac. Abraham was not to be the sacrifice; he was to give his SON as a sacrifice. In the same way, the MOST Holy One of Israel is not the sacrifice; He gave HIS SON:
“For GOD… so loved the world, that HE gave His only-begottenSON…” John 3:16
Only GOD can save you from your sin.
No, only GOD can DESIGNATE the One who can save us from our sins. And He DESIGNATED… His Son.
Only GOD can break the curse of sin and not merely a god, like your Jesus.
Yes, it is GOD who can break the curse of sin. However, a PRICE had to be paid for that breakage to take place. Adam made a deal... with a price. Our eternal lives. Christ… who made himself a little LESS than angels, so that GOD… exalted him to a place HIGHER than angels… paid that price… with his blood. Death was not demanding God’s blood; it couldn’t. So, it demanded the next best thing: the blood of God’s SON. That is because it was a SON of God… ADAM… who brought about the NEED for a ransom in the first place. Sin and death “entered” through God’s son, Adham… and can be removed through God’s SON… Christ. Sin and death did not come to the earth through God… but through His Son. And it will leave the same, but through a different Son. Romans 5:12, 17; Luke 3:23, 38
“For since death is through a MAN, RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD IS ALSO… THROUGH A MAN. For just as in Adam ALL are dying, so also in the Christ ALL will be made alive.” 1 Corinthians 15:21
Why would you not praise and worship Jesus?
I DO praise Christ… and I do “worship” him as far as revering him, and paying homage and/or doing obeisance to him. Absolutely! Indeed, ALL praise is due to the MOST High God… AND to the One whom He sent forth, Christ! I do not “worship” him, as far a rendering “sacred service” to him, however, because HE told me who to render that service to: God. Had he told me ANYWHERE or at ANY TIME to render sacred service to HIM… I would most certainly do so! But that is NOT what he told me, you, or anyone. Indeed, he said to our Adversary, the Devil:
“It is JAH your God you must worship and it is to him ALONE you must render sacred service.” Luke 4:8
because in Philipians 2:5-11. everybody will bent knees to Jesus in a sense of worshipping.
Ahhhh! NOW I understand and my SINCERE apologies: you and I are not talking about quite the same thing. The word you render as “worship” is the Greek word “proskyneo,” which means:
“1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
(1) to the Jewish high priests
(2) to God
(3) to Christ
(4) to heavenly beings
(5) to demons”
And I TOTALLY agree with you that in THIS sense, Christ IS to be “worshipped” – KISSED! But when I think of “worship” I am speaking of the Greek word “latreuo," which means:
“1) to serve for hire
2) to serve, minister to, either to the gods or men and used alike of slaves and freemen
a) in the NT, to render religious service or homage, to worship
b) to perform sacred services, to offer gifts, to worship God in the observance of the rites instituted for his worship
(1)of priests, to officiate, to discharge the sacred office”
Thus, my Lord IS my King… and I not only bend my knees to him… but I KISS him! However, it is GOD, the MOST Holy One of Israel… that I “render sacred service” (i.e., worship).
(unless i understood that context wrong).
Perhaps. But it’s okay – Maybe we now understand each other more accurately!
If they will worship Jesus in the future why not do it now?
Plese see above.
Hebrews 1 also teaches that GOD commands angels to worship Jesus, firstbegotten
Well, now that I understand the word you mean, I guess I have to say, yes!
then why you dont worship him, only KISSED?
I guess, based on the rendering of the Greek word “proskyneo” I do worship Christ. Again, that is not the word or meaning I was speaking of.
If jesus is not to be worship then how come he never rebuke all those people who adored and worshiped him in the gospels? Please notice each instance not just some...also to any jw please answer these questions....
Again, we were speaking of different words for “worship,” you and I. I apologize for the confusion.
something interesting i learned reading the OT...The OT reveals Jesus with titles, names, how he will come, how he will die, etc...What do we learn with that revelation about Jesus in the OT?...Anyone who wants to have a better view of Jesus please research the OT...you will find that Jesus have qualities of GOD and not merely a god. you be surprised what the OT reveal about Jesus...the most commom ones..The everlasting Father, the Mighty God found in Isa 9:6...who is the prohet talking about? Jesus or somebody else or a merely a god (who is that god)? Is he talking about jesus, a god, then that god is equal to the GOD of the bible? is he talking about Jesus, the GOD-MAN?...
The Hebrew word here is “el” which has the following meanings:
“1) god, god-like one, mighty one
a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes
b) angels
c) god, false god, (demons, imaginations)
d) God, the one true God, Jehovah
2) mighty things in nature
3) strength, power”
Now, since I don’t know… in and of myself… which is the correct rendering, I have no choice but to ask the One who DOES know… and listen to what HE tells me… because he has never lied to me. Per that One, the Holy Spirit, the correct rendering is god… and NOT God. Now, decide for yourself whether it is best for me to listen to YOU… and others of earthling man… or to the Holy Spirit, which Spirit IS Christ. Proverbs 8:4-10; 2 Corinthians 3:17
Hope this helps to anyone that is trying to understand the Trinity....
In truth, I already understood the Trinity (my maternal family is DEVOUT Lutheran and so I was "confirmed" at age 12, a long, long..., long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away)... but your information did not help me accept the Trinity any more than before. It does compel me to ask you, however, who... and how many... do YOU believe Paul was speaking of at 2 Corinthians 3:17?
I bid you peace, dear Javig… and ears to hear the Spirit yourself… so that you don't have to rely on ANYONE to be teaching YOU... if you so wish it.
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
