Imputation- do you agree?

by Lillith26 69 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Lillith26

    Imputation is the concept that we are all sinners because of the original sin of Adam. And our only redemption is found in the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross/Stake. Imputation implies that guilt passes from person to person from generation to generation, and redemption is passed from Christ to us. We are denied an afterlife in heaven or immortality on earth because of the sins of our fathers (not to mention the fact that the rules are set up so that being without sin is impossible for any human). We cannot attain salvation on our own. Nothing we do directly can save us from hell or a second death etc... We can obtain salvation only through faith in another. . No action we took on our own condemned us, and no action we can take on our own can save us.

    The concept defies all reason. It makes no sense at all. But without original sin and redemption, there is no Christianity. You can never be perfect/good enough to get into heaven or live forever. You have to unconditionally accept what someone else claimed when they wrote it down a couple of millennia ago. Imputation is Christianity's centre of gravity. Without the concept, the house of cards all falls down.

    You really don't have to criticize anything else in the entire Bible. Deciding to not accept the imputation of original sin and redemption refutes Christianity in its entirely.

  • RubaDub

    Ahhhh ... could you repeat the question.

    Rub a Dub

  • Lillith26

    I was simply asking if any here agreed that Christianity (regardless of sect as all preach humans to be sinfull and need salvation) is in fact a fraud and that the concept of "original sin" deifies all reason.

  • BurnTheShips

    Only if the gangrene has taken root. Then it is better to take the limb rather than have it spread.


  • White Dove
    White Dove

    Completely fraudulent.

  • beksbks

    Damnit Burn!! You beat me!

  • White Dove
    White Dove

    I never spread my deafness to my kids. Sin must be a really strong gene to pass along and it not be "Darwined" out. If other things are sifted out, I think that the sinful parts would be, too. I do not consider deafness or illness to be sins.

  • Robdar

    No, I do not agree with imputation. No original sin? No need for a sacrifice. It's one of the things I have always had a hard time with and one reason why I converted to Judaism.

  • JosephMalik

    The concept defies all reason. It makes no sense at all.


    Well it does make perfect sense but only if one realizes that life is sacred to God. To us it may simply be just life, something we have and most likely just happened naturally, no big deal, but not so to God. We have no right to do with it as we please and it can be taken away from us. Ge 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return. What is called sin is this life that sinned against God that now has been passed on to all human beings. We all have it in common from its original source Adam. The life promise to the human race will come from a source other than Adam's which God appointed to perform this function so as to restore the creations original purpose.


  • Robdar

    Interesting Joseph. Would you believe me if I told you Jews do not interpret the above literally? And it's our story to begin with. Your interpretation is strictly Christian.

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