YHWH a minor pagan god: Ugaritic Texts and the Sons of El

by DoomVoyager 124 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    Hmmm2 not sure exactly what your getting at but notice this quote from many bibles,

    When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance, 2 When he scattered the sons of man,
    He established the borders of the nations,
    According to the number of the sons of Israel.
    But the portion of Yhwh is his people,
    Jacob is the scope of his inheritance.

    First this verse written this way doesnt make any sence "he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of Israel" if what is talked about is the nation of Israel. The NLT translates is this way "when the most high (EL) assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number in his heavenly court. For the people of Israel belongs to the LORD, Jacob is his special people possession (or inheritance).

    Some thing to think about is if this passage is wrong and the one quoted in your artichle is correct then one has to ask what about this word Inheritance. Who would the most high god Yahweh get this inheritance from? This word is used agian at Isaiah 19:25 "for that jehovah of hosts hath blessed them, saying, blessed be egypt my people, and assyria the work of my hands, and israel mine inheritance.asv

    So again who does the almighty god get an inhertance from if in fact he is the almighty god?

  • Hmmm.2
    Hmmm.2

    Hmmm2 not sure exactly what your getting at but notice this quote from many bibles,

    When Elyon gave the nations an inheritance, 2 When he scattered the sons of man,
    He established the borders of the nations,
    According to the number of the sons of Israel.
    But the portion of Yhwh is his people,
    Jacob is the scope of his inheritance.

    First this verse written this way doesnt make any sence "he established the borders of the nations according to the number of the sons of Israel" if what is talked about is the nation of Israel. The NLT translates is this way "when the most high (EL) assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number in his heavenly court. For the people of Israel belongs to the LORD, Jacob is his special people possession (or inheritance).

    Hi, Crazyguy. Well, after going through the 'shields-up' article again, and after reading your post and looking over Leolaia's Post 11636 on page 1 again, I'm kind of not sure exactly what it is that I'm getting at. lol Sorry, but the 'shields-up' article is a bit confusing the way that it is written, but I think that the point that it is trying to make is that the DSS translation is only based upon a fragment, which only has the words:

    According to the number of the sons of God.

    Therefore, based on that, the author of that article expresses that the DSS manuscript does not support the claim that Deut 32:8 is referring to a Canaanite deity named El-Elyon who gave the nations their inheritence, since that part of the verse doesn't exist in the DSS manuscript.

    However, the more that I keep reading over all of this, the more that I am starting to understand a lot of the subtleties and nuances of these verses.

    For instances, I am now seeing that the article is being misleading by saying that there is no justification for thinking that the DSS manuscript for Deut 32:8 supports the idea of a Canaanite deity, when basically, no one really thinks that in the first place. Because from what I understand, the first part of Deut 32:8 is based upon the LXX manuscript, since that part of the DSS manuscript doesn't exist.

    However, I'm now seeing that the whole interpretation of El-Elyon being the head of the Canaanite patheon in verse 8 is actually based on the part of the DSS manuscript that was intact for verse 8.

    Also, Crazyguy, you made a very good and helpful point when you expressed how 'according to the number of the sons of Israel' doesn't make sense. Although actually, the LXX's 'according to the number of the angels of God' doesn't make sense either since there are currently 196 nations on earth(and obviously there were less than that when this scripture was written), even though the Bible mentions there being 100 million angels(myriad of myriads).

    But as far as what you asked about the word "inheritence," well, I had did a little bit of research on it, and there seemed to be some kind of 'Biblical' meaning for God having an inheritence. However, I didn't finish my research on that.

    P.S. How do you find this thread at this forum? Because if it wasn't for me either bookmarking this thread, or doing a search for it, I wouldn't know how to access this thread.

  • Crazyguy
    Crazyguy

    I say your post under active posts and yes the original thread would have to do a search. You can search under topic or by member. Anyway keep doing your research about the god of the canaanites being the god of the bible. There is a lot of evidence that was dug up out of the city called Ugarit that shows similarities in writings and discriptions of thier god El and thier lord Baal Hadod that are very similar to what's written in the bible. It my belief that the Hebrews worship El and in time Baal and then the atributes of the two were merged. This is not uncommon many cultures moved from one god to another or merged gods.

  • villagegirl
    villagegirl

    There is lots of mention of other Gods, worshiped by the people of Egypt and various tribes in the area of what is now Palestine and Saudia Arabia , hundreds of Gods; there are many scriptures
    where Moses and later various Jewish prophets challenges the existance and power
    of the "foreign" "gods" there scriptures are a picture of a sort of battle of the gods.

    The Bible says there are gods many and lords many,

    Satan makes himself an Angel of Light, lots of other gods to

    claim to be the only one to follow, like the Governing Body's claims.

    A Psalm of Asaph.
    82 God has taken his place in the divine council;
 in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
    Psalm 82:1
    Wycliffe Bible (WYC)
    82 The psalm of Asaph. God stood in the synagogue of gods; forsooth he deemeth gods in the middle. (The song of Asaph. God standeth in the council of heaven; and he judgeth among the gods.)

    Psalm 82:1
    Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
    82 -- A Psalm of Asaph. God hath stood in the company of God, In the midst God doth judge.

  • LoisLane looking for Superman
    LoisLane looking for Superman

    -----> Heliocentric and Hmmm.2

    Hello and Welcome to JWN.

    We are very happy to have you among us.

    We like bright people that are not afraid to question WT/GB authority.

    LoisLane

    PS The poster Leolaia has not been available for a while. She has several serious degrees and a boyfriend, which all take time.

    Try and leave her a PM in case she does come around and reads her messages.

    LL

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