The title of this thread is "Born Gay?. The only person who can answer that question is you, the individual. No one else can say for certain. Many people will not believe it (as is their right) and not everyone who is gay was born that way.
In the end it really doesn't matter. Those of us who are gay are gay and we are being told by those who are opposed that our way of life and our desire to enter into a legal union with the people we love is wrong, abnormal and a threat. Ironically arguements like this surfaced against blacks, women and jews...and as another poster said x number of years down the road there'll be another group or cause with that same distinction.
BTS: You said:
I think maybe the hormonal environment in the womb can cause this. I think that certain psychological traumas during childhood and sexual abuse can cause a person's sexual growth to go a certain way. I accept these explanations by modern science. It is not limited to homosexuality. For example, straight married men feel may sexual desire for other women. It is "natural" for them to feel this. It is not moral for them to act on it.
Interesting. Perhaps someone can answer me this: Why is it when this subject is being discussed it's frequently claimed that people are made gay because of hormones, abuse or trauma, especially when the bible suggests differently.
Just for arguements sake lets assume that when the bible tells us Adam sinned and death spread to all men becaused all had sinned is true. Certainly no one can deny this is the bible's claim, that Adam sinned and died but before he did he passed on sin and death to all future humans. In that case why claim that homosexuality is caused by hormones, abuse or trauma when the bible itself tells you that it's actually imperfection that causes it.
This could also be taken to imply that the act of sinning, of missing that mark, when perfect has real physical consequences that cannot be hidden or ignored. That would also makes God's statement to Adam (Eat from this tree and you'll die) less of a threat and more of a statement of fact...because that's how he designed Adam, to die if the decision to miss the mark was ever taken. But I digress.....we should have another thread on this subject.
Junction Guy:
... all the gays on here tried to change my viewpoint to fit theirs.
Tell me...when did I ever try to do that to you? I can't say I recall that so when you find the post lwhere I am supposed to have done this then let me know or apologize to those of us to whom your claim does not apply.
I have the right to marry a woman, just the same as they do. Other than that, they are perfectly free to do whatever they want. They seem to want to force their opinions down my throat too.What 2 gays do in the privacy of their own home does not affect me whatsoever, but the marriage thing does affect society as it is obvious from all of the controversy it stirs up.
So? Straight opinions get forced down gay throats all the time just as the ideas of men were forced on women for centuries, the ideas of whites were forced on blacks AND Native Americans who were slaughtered by the thousands for daring to fight for their rights and freedoms. So far as I'm concerned you're getting what's coming to you. Gays, like blacks, women and natives have been oppressed for far too long and like those 3 groups we are not going to take any more of it. We standing up for ourselves and fighting for the same rights and privileges you have and take for granted, and in some cases abuse.
The "marraige thing" only affects "society" because people CHOOSE to be affected by it. It's not like they are affetced because they have no choice in the matter. They do have a choice and like Adam they are making the wrong one.
because marriage is between a man and a woman, that is the way it has been since the founding of this nation:
However "this nation" as you put it was formed by peopkle from other nations where gays were not always viewed so unfavourably. (see below). of course it shouldn't have to be said that "this nation" has been guilty of terrible crimes against humanity and keep in mind that when "this nation" was founded women and blacks were not considered people...but now they are (learned that from The West Wing) so if those concepts can change (albeit with considerable violence and bloodshed) why can't attitudes about gays be changed as well?
BTS again:
Historically, the Christian Church has always had this teaching regarding sexuality. I challenge you to refute that. You are free to disagree with the teaching, but you are not free to say it isn't so against the evidence.
It may have always had this teaching but it's not always been enforced. I posted on a thread started by Jstalin called "the right's obsession with gays" that there is now evidence that gay civil unions were allowed and accepted in France some 600 years ago. I urge you to read my post in full and take note of the studies quoted therein.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/14/160880/1.ashxand finally, last but certainly not least; wifekeepsmeinit says:
le chez mon cul.
Well I don't understand much French however I do understand that one...I do that all the time, DAMN good at it to in case you're ever curious...
LOL
