Oil Execs Defend Huge Profits Before Senate

by momzcrazy 143 Replies latest social current

  • Highlander
    Highlander

    FHN, my advice to you remains the same:

    Take a moment, relax, breathe deeply and repeat after me. Everything is going to be ok.

    You're old enough to remember how bad things can really get and yet civilization survived and prospered in the long run. You're also old enough to have known people that survived the great depression.

    During the great depression, there were many that jumped from buildings after learning they had lost everything in the stock market. They chose to take a very narrow minded view of the short term and focused only on negativity and end of world scenarios. I hope that you are not that type.

    10 years from now you'll look back and realize that fuel prices were severely underpriced for 2 decades and that this market correction was very necessary. It is exactly the incentive we all need to develop new ideas that will benefit humans for generations to come.

    It might hurt for a while, but it will be worth it in the long run.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    You're old enough to remember how bad things can really get and yet civilization survived and prospered in the long run. You're also old enough to have known people that survived the great depression.

    No one said the world wouldn't pull out of the disaster that would happen if oil continues to rise.

    You sound pretty smug, I'm guessing you aren't hurting yet. Let's hear from you when you are.

  • Indo_Dude
    Indo_Dude
    Shamus wrote:

    I hope you guys are kidding. I hate bush, but he had nothing to do with rising oil prices whatsoever. The world does not revolve around the United States on this issue.

    Supply and demand, lack of adequate refining facilities is it. A few dumb people who drive hummers in the U.S. would affect the price of oil generally zero. It's China, Packistan, and other emerging countries that are driving up the prices.

    He is very much at fault. Firstly, after 9/11 he had an opportunity to remake America and the transporation system. But, because American's wanted a 'regular guy they could drink a beer with', in the White House, they got exactly what they voted for. A moron, that did nothing. Even worse, he allowed the speculators to run rampant and his administration changed laws to make it happen. It's not big oil driving the price, nor China, nor the lack of refining, don't kid yourself. It's the speculators. According to the Senate speculators are driving the price above $60 a barrel. Based on supply and demand, refining, and everything else, it should be $60 a barrel, but it's not.

    2006 Senate Report - Until recently, US energy futures were traded exclusively on regulated exchanges within the United States, like the NYMEX, which are subject to extensive oversight by the CFTC, (Commodity Futures Trading Commission)including ongoing monitoring to detect and prevent price manipulation or fraud. In recent years, however, there has been a tremendous growth in the trading of contracts that look and are structured just like futures contracts, but which are traded on unregulated OTC electronic markets.

    The trading of energy commodities by large firms on OTC electronic exchanges was exempted from CFTC oversight by a provision inserted at the behest of Enron and other large energy traders into the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 in the waning hours of the 106th Congress. The impact on market oversight has been substantial. NYMEX traders, for example, are required to keep records of all trades and report large trades to the CFTC. These Large Trader Reports, together with daily trading data providing price and volume information, are the CFTC’s primary tools to gauge the extent of speculation in the markets and to detect, prevent, and prosecute price manipulation. In contrast to trades conducted on the NYMEX, traders on unregulated OTC electronic exchanges are not required to keep records or file Large Trader Reports with the CFTC, and these trades are exempt from routine CFTC oversight. In contrast to trades conducted on regulated futures exchanges, there is no limit on the number of contracts a speculator may hold on an unregulated OTC electronic exchange, no monitoring of trading by the exchange itself, and no reporting of the amount of outstanding contracts (“open interest”) at the end of each day.”

    http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/engdahl/2008/0502.html

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    You're right. Speculation on supply and demand. The world economy no longer revolves around the United States.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    The world economy no longer revolves around the United States.

    It doesn't revolve around it, but it's hugely affected by it.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    That's right, Flying High.

    The ball is rolling, and the U.S. can do little to alleviate the situation, IMO. People in third world countries are getting more advanced, and they need oil just as much as we do. The U.S. cannot produce enough oil to run itself, so it relies on exports. It's out of oil, and it's up to the rest of the world to supply it with oil. Thanks to democracy, and free trade, prices went up. It's just the price of freedom.

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24
    Let's freeze a few more folk out - those old people don't really need to be warm do they?
    I guess some would say they chose to live where it's cold.

    Yeah...those poor stupid old folks...those dumb beggars that worked that farm and sold that food those youngsters ate..those tottering old fools that worked in that car factory so the selfish little kids could buy those nifty new cars...or those old grannies putting little chips in that cell phone in the basement of some rural factory - geesh....those idiots should have known better than to even dare live outside that polluted city. What the hell were they thinking by moving there to give their kids a better life with fresh air, clean parks and that small town American set of values...gee...now they're stuck there and having to drive their old cars into Walmart to get some groceries - why how dare they?!..(sarcasm intentional) sammieswife.

  • Indo_Dude
    Indo_Dude
    Shamus:

    You're right. Speculation on supply and demand. The world economy no longer revolves around the United States.

    No! Read the link. Right now we have more inventory on hand than ever. 'Speculation' has NOTHING to do with the supply and demand curve, at all. It is being run on a bubble. That if they, the speculators, hold onto the oil until next month it will be worth more. It has nothing to do with supply and demand currently. It's just like the housing bubble of a couple of years ago. People are buying and selling based on the faulty premise that it will be always higher tomorrow. How many times have you heard an 'analyst' say recently that oil would likely be $150, $175, or $200 a barrel? You do realize those 'experts' are usually from Goldman Sach's bank, the #1 largest oil trader in the world, who have Saudis and other middle eastern sultans and emirs as their top clients. Right now it's collusion. But the Bush Admin changed the laws to let them do this. It's a giant shell game, and you, the American people, and the other citizens of the world are the losers.

    Just wait until this bubble pops and see how fast those banks like Goldman Sachs cry for a bailout, and get it.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    The U.S. cannot produce enough oil to run itself, so it relies on exports. It's out of oil, and it's up to the rest of the world to supply it with oil. Thanks to democracy, and free trade, prices went up. It's just the price of freedom.

    Yes it can. First, starting in West Texas. My exhusband did electrical work on the pump jacks out there. We even helped him. The oil industry was booming in 1981. Then the big oil companies started capping the wells. They ran most of the smaller companies out of business. Oil we could be using. There are places along the continental shelves that promise to be rich in oil. Why aren't the companies drilling there? I know the answer. Research it for yourself. There is plenty of oil. It's not being tapped. It's very naive to think that world demand went up this much since Bush hit office. Look into the Bush administration and its ties to the oil industry.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    You're talking short term, I'm talking long-term. That's what they're speculating on - the big problem when there is not enough inventory to supply the world's demand for oil. And it is coming. And Bush has nothing to do with it.

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