I can't agree with this as if this was the case why did the jews need jesus to come and sort them out? and re-teach them?
Please Reniaa, You're temporizing here.
In the Bible, the Jews were punished time after time after time after time and eventually cast aside for their waywardness. Do you really want to use the example of Israel in defense of the JW's?
Where would this logically lead? Doesn't it make my point for me? (i.e That imperfection is no excuse.)
there is no organisation that God used in the bible that didn't suffer from the imperfection of it's leaders because they were men, there was no point to jesus coming if organisations couldn't be currupted by the teachings of men?
And again, God severely punished not only those leaders but in many cases, the rank and file members who went along with them as well. Are you sure you want to use this in defense of the JW's?
Again, where would this logically lead except to the conclusion that one must distance themselves from the JW leadership when they are behaving badly?
Some on here then say they follow jesus, not an organisation! but then if that is all we need to have why do we have Acts, Romans onwards and all the teachings of paul on being followers in an organisation following jesus if we alone could follow him without need of this?
Paul and his writings are one of the best refutations in the entire Bible against the JW notion of centralized organization.
100% failure rate hmmm as the only real thing they predict is the coming of armegeddon and stuff related to that so if they get it right or wrong the whole world would eventually know.
And they have a 100% failure rate on that topic. Isn’t this enough? Wouldn't it justify a little caution when it comes to predictions made today? Haven’t predictions regarding the coming of Armageddon and "stuff related to that" been very specific at times? Haven’t the JW’s applied hundreds of prophetic parallels and interpretations to these events, all under the auspices of divine guidance?
These include but are not limited to:
That 1914 would see the complete overthrow of all earthly governments and the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth.
That 1914 would see the rapture
That 1915 would see the complete overthrow of all earthly governments and the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth.
That 1918 would see the complete overthrow of all earthly governments and the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth.
That 1925 would see resurrection of the ancient worthies, the establishment of God’s kingdom on earth and the dawn of the millennium.
That WWII would culminate in Armageddon.
That those that witnessed the events of 1914 would live to see Armageddon
That adults in 1935 would live to see the great tribulation
The way I see it all Christian faiths have to be lumped together inc JW's any that say they are following the bible and have to be judge as a group as all have had access to jesus's teachings and have to be responsible for how they translate those teachings, age of organisation or length of time with the organisation is irrelevant as they all use the same source and therefore can be judge from that and also all have imperfect leaders translating that source so for me the question is currently which Christian faith is closest to what jesus's teaches? or alternatively should i set up my own lol
Jehovah’s Witnesses are unlike most other Christian faiths in one important area and this has to do with how they are guided.
There's two basic ways that information can be conveyed. Actively and Passively.
For example, If I invited you over to my house for dinner, there's two basic ways I could get you there.
1. I could ride with you in the car and actively tell you when to turn and how far to go. (Active guidance)
2. I could draw you a map and let you figure it out. (Passive guidance)
Most other Christian faiths only claim passive guidance from God via the Bible. In other words, the Bible is the map and they do the best they can to figure it out.
Even those faiths that do claim active guidance from God like the Mormons and Catholics have the sense to reserve this alleged capacity only for special occasions.
The JW’s make no such distinction. They claim that their unique understanding of the Bible is the product of divine direction. Everything they publish is published as the Truth without equivocation. None of it may be questioned. All of it is the product of divine guidance.
You and I know that no imperfect person or group could ever live up to such a claim, but the JW leadership either does not realize it or enjoys the authority and prestige too much.