You can be Disfellowshiped for being too FAT!!!!!

by Witness 007 65 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • iveseenthelight
    We had a hugely obese sister in the Cong. who kept falling over.

    Witness007 that made me laugh my HUGE ass off. How funny is that? I would love to see the elders try to disfellowship a fatty.

    After book study my mum would always provide cakes, biscuits and sweets (which really pissed me off as no one else used to bring anything to share) anyway there were 2 brothers who were so f'ing greedy used to try hiding the shit so no one else could have any. They used to make me feel ill watching them, like starved animals. Needless to say they are both MS's neither were over weight though so I guess their gluttony went unnoticed.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    If this is enforced, they would lose a sizeable percentage of their ranks; at the last District Convention I attended, I never saw so many Big Mommas and Big Pappas under one roof, ever! And I would estimate that most of these tubbies were in the ``morbidly obese" category.

  • Forscher

    I noticed that the latest offering from the WTBTS was not included in this thread.

    *** w04 11/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***

    Questions From Readers

    How does the Christian congregation view gluttony?

    God’s Word condemns both drunkenness and gluttony as behavior that is incompatible with serving God. Therefore, the Christian congregation regards a confirmed glutton in the same manner as it views a habitual drunkard. Neither a drunkard nor a glutton can be part of the Christian congregation.

    Proverbs 23:20, 21 states: “Do not come to be among heavy drinkers of wine, among those who are gluttonous eaters of flesh. For a drunkard and a glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe one with mere rags.” At Deuteronomy 21:20, we read about a “stubborn and rebellious” individual, who deserved to be put to death under the Mosaic Law. According to this verse, two characteristics of that rebellious and unrepentant individual were that he was “a glutton and a drunkard.” Clearly, in ancient Israel, gluttony was viewed as an unacceptable practice for those who desired to serve God.

    What, though, constitutes a glutton, and what do the Christian Greek Scriptures say about this topic? A glutton is defined as “one given habitually to greedy and voracious eating and drinking.” Thus, for one thing, gluttony is a form of greed, and God’s Word tells us that “greedy persons” are the sort of people who will not inherit God’s Kingdom. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10; Philippians 3:18, 19; 1 Peter 4:3) In addition, when the apostle Paul warned Christians against practicing “the works of the flesh,” he mentioned “drunken bouts, revelries, and things like these.” (Galatians 5:19-21) Overeating often accompanies drunken bouts and revelries. Moreover, gluttony certainly is included in Paul’s expression “and things like these.” As with the other “works of the flesh,” a Christian who is widely known for his gluttony and who stubbornly refuses to change his greedy behavior ought to be removed from the congregation.—1 Corinthians 5:11, 13.

    Although God’s Word places a drunkard on the same level as a glutton, the former is much easier to identify than the latter. The signs of drunkenness are usually quite visible. However, determining the point at which an individual becomes a confirmed glutton is much harder because it cannot be determined simply by outward appearance. Therefore, handling situations in this area of concern requires great care and discernment on the part of the elders in the congregation.

    For example, obesity may be a sign of gluttony, but that is not always the case. One’s being overweight may be the result of an ailment. Hereditary factors may also contribute to obesity. We should also keep in mind that obesity is a physical condition, while gluttony is a mental attitude. Obesity is defined as “a condition characterized by excessive bodily fat,” whereas gluttony is “greedy or excessive indulgence.” Thus, gluttony is not determined by someone’s size but by his attitude toward food. A person may be of normal size or may even be thin and yet be a glutton. Furthermore, what is viewed as the ideal weight or shape varies considerably from place to place.

    What are signs of gluttony? A glutton routinely shows a lack of restraint, even gorging himself on food to the point of feeling very uncomfortable or becoming sick. His lack of self-control indicates that he has no real concern about the reproach he brings upon Jehovah and the good reputation of His people. (1 Corinthians 10:31) On the other hand, a person who overeats on a few occasions would not automatically be viewed as a “greedy person.” (Ephesians 5:5) Nevertheless, in the spirit of Galatians 6:1, such a Christian might need help. Paul states: “Brothers, even though a man takes some false step before he is aware of it, you who have spiritual qualifications try to readjust such a man in a spirit of mildness.”

    Why is the Bible’s counsel to avoid excessive eating especially important today? Because, particularly regarding our day, Jesus warned: “Pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare.” (Luke 21:34, 35) Avoiding overindulgence in food is one important way to shun a spiritually damaging life-style.

    Moderation is a Christian virtue. (1 Timothy 3:2, 11) Therefore, Jehovah will surely help all those who earnestly seek to apply the Bible’s counsel on moderate eating and drinking habits.—Hebrews 4:16.


    See “Questions From Readers” in the May 1, 1986, issue of The Watchtower.


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  • BizzyBee

    I also think it is "easy" flicking through old copies of the Watchtowers quoting various rules and policies that currently probably never see the light of day (i.e., are never actioned by elders). Apart from entertainment value, it strikes me as dredging up the bottom of the barrel.

    Old light, eh? Trial balloon, eh? Canary in the coal mine, eh? Let's just run it up the old flagpole and see if anybody salutes it, eh?

    What a way to run a religion!

  • Frequent_Fader_Miles

    That would've been the perfect way of getting out of baptism in the first place! I can see it now ... all baptismal candidates must step on the scale next to the baptismal pool ...

  • Witness 007
    Witness 007

    See how the 2004 article sugars things down alittle bit! Many skinny Elders may have tried to disfellowship afew fatty's....not nice....clarification was needed in 2004.

  • wednesday
    ranks right up there with the possibility of being disfellowshipped for being unclean (I mean physically, nasty, stinky, unhygenically unclean). A person in the Borg can and does get their "Privileges" removed but that is as far as it ever goes...maybe unannounced reproof.

    A long long time ago, actually in a country congregation in the 50's and early 60's that could have happened. One elder wore his suit and some kind of nasty dirty tennis shoe, one person used to pick his nose in the KH, visibly so we could all see, or fall asleep and snore. Small country congregations, we were all kind of like family.

    as far as fat, too many reasons why people get obese . No way they could make that stick, someone (I hope) would sue them for discrimination.

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    There are too many reasons that people gain weight, sickness, genetics, medications, lack of mobility, , etc. The body's metabolism actually slows down as we age, thus we have to cut the amount of calories we eat each day to keep from getting fat. Increasing your activity is not usually the answer as we age. That's why we get the "middle age spread".

    I have never seen anyone Dfd for obesity and there are a lot of obese jws. I have also never seen anyone Dfd for physical uncleanness , but there are some I avoided sitting next to or riding in a car group with, if posible, due to the outright stench.

    What is interesting is that obesity is about to overtake cigarette smoking as the number one cause of premature death. That line the jws use to keep our bodies undefiled by not smoking could just as easily be used for morbid obesity. Both are great health risks.

    Not that I think the jws should Df for obesity, but rather this totally blows their argument to Df for smoking. Basically, they just need to try and look at the heart, as one poster mentioned, and encourage people. While they are at it, they need to stop Df people period.

  • steve2
    Not that I think the jws should Df for obesity, but rather this totally blows their argument to Df for smoking.

    I agree. While they profess to strictly follow the Bible, they have a bias for reproving and disfellowshipping some "sins" more than others. One serious "sin" they increasingly turn a blind eye to is 'drunkeness'. I knew several JWs in responsible positions (pioneers, elders, ministerial servants) who had alcohol-related problems. No one ever used the 'A'* word to describe them.

    How supremely convenient because if they took serious action on JWs with alcohol-related problems, they'd end up with significantly fewer JWs and, in the case of elders, they end up disfellowshipping each other because drinking problems are endemic among elders!


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