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  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    Brother Brumley certainly appears to have been a busy little beaver for the GB; running all over the globe politikin' and lobbying for "all people to worship freely according to the dictates of their conscience."

    It appears that BroBrumley is the typical lawyer, in that he will not allow absolute truth to stand in the way of what he is really after.
    Note his resume:

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    Mr. Philip Brumley is General Counsel to the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses and works at the world headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses in New York, USA. As such he also serves as General Counsel of Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, the legal entity used by Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide. Mr. Brumley has spoken on the rights of religious minorities at various locations in the United States as well as in Argentina, Brazil and Cuba. Under Mr. Brumley's direction, the Watch Tower Society's Legal Department has submitted dozens of briefs to the High Courts of the United States and various other countries, and the European Court of Human Rights. Mr. Brumley is interested not only in the religious rights of Jehovah's Witnesses, but in the rights of all people to worship freely according to the dictates of their conscience.

  • Kent
    Kent

    Here is a scan of the article;

    Thanks Hawk!!!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    I need more BOE letters, KMs and other material. Those who can send it to me - please do! The new section will be interesting!!

    Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
    http://watchtower.observer.org

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    Would a WTS/JW Apologist, or anyone else for that matter, point me to the scriptural precedent from the Greek Scriptures for the Christian Congregation to appeal to one Government for help and assistance with issues with other Governments?
    Where is the precedent that allows the Christian Congregation to appeal to political issue lobbying groups for help?

    Please show me where Jesus, Stephen, Paul, Peter, or anyone else appeared before any governmental or non-governmental forum to appeal for their assistance, OUTSIDE OF THE CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THEIR PRESENCE WAS DUE TO BEING UNDER ARREST.

    Here is a Press Release which evidences more "politikin'" by BroBrumley:

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    House International Relations Committee

    Benjamin A. Gilman, Chairman
    DATE: June 14, 2000
    FOR RELEASE: Immediate
    Contact: Lester Munson, Communications Director (202)225-5021

    GILMAN CONDUCTS HEARING ON TREATMENT OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN WESTERN EUROPE

    WASHINGTON (June 14) – U.S. Rep. Benjamin A. Gilman (20th-NY), Chairman of the House International Relations Committee, made the following statement today at a full committee hearing on the treatment of religious minorities in Western Europe:

    The Committee on International Relations meets in open session today to take testimony on the topic of "The Treatment of Religious Minorities in Western Europe." We do so as part of the full Committee's geographic responsibility for Europe.

    Today's hearing allows the Committee to turn its attention to a problem that has troubled many Americans who respect and value the nations of Western Europe -- countries who are without doubt friends of the United States and places where in general freedom flourishes.

    The "blind spot" that some of those countries seem to have is their attitude toward religious minorities. As Ambassador Felix Rohatyn has written with respect to France "recent actions by [its] government vis-a-vis sects raise questions about intolerance toward religious minorities, and contravene France's international human rights commitments" although it "is a country with a long tradition of religious freedom and rule of law."

    I want to point out that the purpose of this hearing is not to support the religious doctrines or other activities of the religious minorities active in Western Europe.

    But we are called on not only to protect the rights of those we like, but of those with whom we may disagree with as well. I have put on the record repeatedly, for example, my concern over the use of Nazi-era imagery by supporters of Scientology in their effort to make their points about German policy. But I am also here to say that I must defend their human rights.

    Holding or expressing a religious belief or worshiping in public and private as one pleases is not as such forbidden by law in Western Europe. In practice, however, expressing a minority religious belief often leads to discrimination -- the loss of a job, of educational opportunities, of the right to gain custody of one's own child or to be a foster parent -- which seriously burdens one's exercise of freedom of religion.

    Some European governments discriminate among religions, giving some favors -- such as financial aid or simply the right of clergy of that religion to visit a sick parishioner -- while withholding those privileges from others.

    Moreover, religious discrimination by private parties is far from universally discouraged. It is encouraged in some cases, for example, by the compilation and publication by governments of lists of "sects," although encouraging religious tolerance is an international human rights obligation.

    Such problems are complained of frequently and vociferously with respect to Austria, Belgium, France, and Germany. It is frankly difficult to understand how our friends in these countries can say that they have freedom of religion, given the burdens on the free exercise of religion I have mentioned and which will be described today.

    The Committee's attention has been drawn to this issue for several reasons. The practices to be discussed appear to be in contravention of internationally accepted human rights standards and seek to be leading to an atmosphere of religious intolerance.

    Americans abroad who wish to evangelize, or merely to practice their religion, professions, or businesses, face discriminatory treatment on the basis of their religion. Emerging democracies in Eastern Europe may copy the bad examples that are being set by some Western European countries.

    And finally, the growth of political extremism on the left and right in some of the same countries where religious discrimination appears to be on the rise to questions of whether there are links between such discrimination and those political trends.

    Witnesses at the hearing were: The Honorable Robert A. Seiple, Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom, U.S. Department of State; Catherine Bell, Actress; Philip Brumley, Esq., General Counsel, Jehovah's Witnesses; T. Jeremy Gunn, J.D., Ph.D., Guest Scholar, U.S. Institute of Peace; Pastor Robert A. Hunt, English Speaking United Methodist Church, Vienna, Austria (via digital video conference); Mr. Craig Jensen, Chairman and CEO, Executive Software; and The Rev. N. J. L`Heureux, Executive Director, Queens Federation of Churches.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    Well folks,

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  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    If this isn't politikin' and lobbying, then I'm not sure what is. Again, note that BroBrumley IS NOT addressing those Governments whom the greivance is with. Note his appeal at the very end.

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    HEARING BY HOUSE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS

    Rayburn House Office Building
    June 14, 2000

    THE TREATMENT OF RELIGIOUS MINORITIES IN WESTERN EUROPE

    Effect on Institutional Level and Personal Lives

    Presented by Philip Brumley
    General Counsel for Jehovah's Witnesses

    INTRODUCTION

    Fifty-seven years ago on this very day—June 14, the nation's annual Flag Day—the Supreme Court handed down one of its most historic decisions: West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette. Speaking for the Court, Justice Jackson stated: "If there is any fixed star in our Constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." This ruling guaranteed religious freedom for Jehovah's Witnesses in connection with our Bible-based belief that saluting any flag violates God's demand for exclusive devotion.

    Even though most citizens do not agree with our doctrinal stand on this issue, the fact remains that the United States has gone on record that it will defend our right to adhere to this belief. In contrast, many nations of Western Europe are becoming increasingly equivocal about whether they will protect genuine freedom of worship.
    When governments determine that religious beliefs do not meet standards of "loyalty" to the State or constitute a breach of public order and withhold religious recognition or registration, where does that lead us? Will governments next dictate what beliefs are acceptable in democratic societies? When governments fail to acknowledge any distinction between commercial enterprises and voluntary, self-sacrificing endeavors to promote humanitarian, religious endeavors, what will happen to the concept of charities? Will volunteerism be taxed out of existence? Can a government legitimately assert that it protects religion freedom when at the same time it uses its taxing power to oppress those who belong to certain religions?

    We will provide some details of these trends using France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, and Sweden as examples. The following facts speak for themselves and document the current state of the basic human right of religious self-determination in Western Europe.

    DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN FRANCE

    Records show that Jehovah's Witnesses have been active in France since 1891. This spring more than 204,000 attended the most sacred celebration of the year for Jehovah's Witnesses, the Memorial of Christ's death. Certainly Jehovah's Witnesses are not a "new" religious movement and can hardly be called a "minority" religion when we are the third-largest Christian religion in France.

    The recent attempt of the French government to officially deny religious status to Jehovah's Witnesses began with an adverse ruling by the Conseil d'Etat in a 1985 inheritance case. (The French will aver that, under the rubric of the "wall of separation of Church and State," the French government grants official recognition to no religion. However, the facts speak otherwise. Recognized religions are extended benefits, such as being able to receive charitable bequests.) The Conseil d'Etat refused to allow one of Jehovah's Witnesses to leave a portion of her estate to the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses in France because the court did not agree with our doctrinal rejection of blood transfusions and refusal to participate in military service. The fact that there are 3,000 French doctors who are willing to operate without blood completely eviscerates the first basis for the court's ruling. The passing of a law on alternative non-military service in France that provides a conscientiously acceptable method for young Jehovah's Witnesses to render 'Caesar his due' does away with the other reason for the Court's refusal to recognize the legitimacy of the faith of Jehovah's Witnesses in France.

    In spite of these favorable developments, the French Parliamentary Commissions on Sects have made the situation worse by issuing biased reports containing lists of supposedly "dangerous sects" and including Jehovah's Witnesses among them.

    Institutional Consequences:

    A direct result of the discriminatory treatment toward Jehovah's Witnesses in France is a 60-percent tax that has been levied on donations received by the Association of Jehovah's Witnesses in France. Next week, on June 20, 2000, a hearing is scheduled in Nanterre on this matter. Supreme Court Justice John Marshall wisely observed: "The power to tax involves the power to destroy." Although governments are fully authorized, both Biblically and secularly, to tax their constituents, this particular tax has no other purpose but to make it impossible for Jehovah's Witnesses in France to financially support the operations of their own faith. That means 60 cents of each dollar contributed to support our annual Bible conventions, operate our Kingdom Halls (houses of worship), and fund national relief measures will go to the French government. Only forty cents on the dollar will be left to use for the charitable reason for which it was given. No religion could financially continue to operate under such a punitive tax.

    To our knowledge, no other religion is being taxed 60-percent on personal contributions made in good faith to their church. Instead, other religions enjoy tax exemptions granted by the Conseil d'Etat. Not even most minority religions are taxed—in fact, we are only aware of one other case where personal donations to a religious association have been questioned. The French tax authorities have clearly indicated at the conclusion of their 1996 and 1997 audits that the association that is now being exorbitantly taxed "participates in the maintenance and practice of Jehovah's Witnesses' form of worship." Those audits established the not-for-profit nature of the associations used by Jehovah's Witnesses. Recently, an audit by the international firm of Grant Thornton likewise established the not-for-profit character of all associations used by Jehovah's Witnesses in France.

    Upholding the religious nature of Jehovah's Witnesses' associations, there have recently been four favorable Courts of Appeals decisions exempting Kingdom Halls of Jehovah's Witnesses (houses of worship) from paying land (property) tax. This is part of the process established in France to grant religious recognition. Needless to say, French authorities have appealed all four cases which means that this issue will ultimately be heard by the Conseil d'Etat. Should that court rule in favor of religious freedom as Justice Jackson's court did in this country in 1943, it will not be necessary for us to pursue this matter to the European Court of Human Rights.

    Personal Consequences:

    The negative effects on a personal level from the parliamentary mislabeling of Jehovah's Witnesses as a "dangerous sect" are widespread. Schoolteachers and day care workers who are Jehovah's Witnesses have been targets of smear campaigns, unwanted job transfers, or have been fired because they were perceived as being a threat to the safety, morals, and education of children under their care only because of belonging to a supposed "sect."

    A new aspect of the consequences on a personal level is illustrated in the case of René Schneerberger, a minister of Jehovah's Witnesses, who has been corresponding regularly with inmates in the French prison system to provide spiritual guidance. Some prisoners, who are not Jehovah's Witnesses, requested subscriptions from René to The Watchtower and Awake!, the official journals of Jehovah's Witnesses. In October 1999, the prisoners advised Mr. Schneerberger that they were no longer receiving these religious magazines. The reason given by the director of the Bapaume prison was that the magazines were suspended because of the "sectarian" nature of Jehovah's Witnesses as "recognized by the parliamentary commissions." The suspension has not been lifted.

    DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN BELGIUM

    Belgium's roots with Jehovah's Witnesses also trace back to 1891. At the Memorial celebration of Christ's death held this spring, there were more than 46,000 in attendance.

    Belgium also had its parliamentary commissions and reports on sects in 1997 with ongoing consequences. Although Jehovah's Witnesses have no "institutional consequences" as a result of being included in the discriminatory list of sects that was published, there are effects on a personal level.

    In some schools of the French-speaking community in Belgium, students who are Jehovah's Witnesses are feeling the effect of being perceived as belonging to a "dangerous sect." For example, a teacher in the Ecole des Pagodes issued a paper for class discussions that said: "In Belgium, there are 189 variable dangerous sects and 37 are hard-core ones, such as—Jehovah's Witnesses [among others]."

    In child custody disputes, some judges have a high regard for Jehovah's Witnesses and have granted custody to the Witness parents and rejected the allegation of opposing parties who claim that Jehovah's Witnesses are dangerous. But note what was stated in two cases in the Flemish section of Belgium:

    "It constitutes a grave danger for the children taking into account the influence of the Jehovah-sect" of which the mother seems to be a member.

    "Jehovah's Witnesses are not to be viewed as a religion but as a movement of fanatics."

    DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN GERMANY

    In 1891, Jehovah's Witnesses became established in Germany. This year over 276,000 attended the Memorial of Christ's death—again not a new religion and not an insignificant minority. In the not-too-distant past, Jehovah's Witnesses survived the Nazi concentration camps and Communist persecution on German soil.

    The right of Jehovah's Witnesses to remain neutral in politics has again become the focus of a legal struggle over our right to have the same legal status that is granted to other recognized religions. The denial of this favored status to Jehovah's Witnesses is based on our Bible-based and historical stand of not electing individuals to political office. Recall that Jesus told Pilate: "My kingdom is no part of this world." The German State has determined that this is not an acceptable belief in a democratic society. Since freedom of conscience and belief is one of the most basic and universally protected human rights, what should have been a mere logistical formality has transcended into a human rights struggle.

    Institutional Consequences:

    The Federal Administrative Court made a decision that has far-reaching consequences for Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany.
    They reversed two lower court decisions and refused recognition to Jehovah's Witnesses as a "public law" corporation. Jehovah's Witnesses had fulfilled all designated requirements, but the State introduced a new element when considering our application. It was decided that Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the degree of loyalty required by the German State to extend favorable-status treatment. This decision is based on the fact that historically Jehovah's Witnesses refrain from participation in political elections or holding political office. Not even the German Constitution requires mandatory participation by all citizens in the electoral process, but evidently the Federal Administrative Court requires this of Jehovah's Witnesses. We have contested this decision through a complaint to the Constitutional Court.

    Due to this federal-level decision, the finance authorities then took the unwarranted step to rescind the permanent nature of tax exemptions granted to associations owning the houses of worship for Jehovah's Witnesses in Germany. These authorities, in anticipation of a negative outcome, are poised to declassify Jehovah's Witnesses' corporations as not being of "common benefit." If an adverse ruling is handed down, every Kingdom Hall in Germany will be taxed as though what goes on inside is not worship, an assertion so ludicrous that no nation could make it and still maintain that it guarantees religious freedom to those within its borders.

    Personal Consequences:

    The impact of the trend toward discrimination of members of minority religions is well illustrated by what happened to a family from Bergheim, where both parents are Jehovah's Witnesses. Over a period of 15 years, the Local Youth Office in Bergheim assigned about 20 foster children to this couple's care. After the chairwoman of an anti-cult-movement contacted the office, they refused to renew the Witness couple's permit for a baby girl to remain with them, although the baby had spent half her infant life in their care. This resulted in a two-year court battle, with the court ultimately defending the rights of the Witness parents to retain custody of the foster child and rejecting the youth office's arguments as completely unfounded. However, after the court case, the Local Youth Office has not assigned any new foster children to the care of this family. Clearly, the courts cannot legislate an end to prejudice.

    DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN AUSTRIA

    Jehovah's Witnesses began their preaching in Austria in 1891. In April 2000, over 33,000 joined them in their sacred annual Memorial of Christ's death.

    After 20 years of seeking to be classified as a religion in Austria and just when the courts were close to obligating the government to do so, the government passed a new law setting up a special religious category called "confessional community." We are the only religion immediately affected by this law. Under this new law, we are now required to wait an additional 10-year probationary period before we may once again apply for recognition as a religion. As a result, this new law automatically and deliberately extends Jehovah's Witnesses' 20-year struggle into a 30-year wait. In the meantime, a new complaint by Jehovah's Witnesses is pending with the Austrian Constitutional Court concerning the new law that created this multi-tiered religious
    classification system.

    Institutional Consequences:

    The classification of "confessional community" does not allow for performance of marriage rites, pastoral visits to hospitals or prisons, recognition of ministers who are free from military and civil service, or tax advantages.
    Showing that not all Austrian officials share the same viewpoint, last fall the Austrian Constitutional Court handed down a favorable decision regarding the pastoral care of a prisoner. This decision influenced the Federal Ministry of Justice to make a provision for Jehovah's Witnesses to visit prisoners who request assistance from us.

    Personal Consequences:

    To illustrate the impact on people's daily lives, we offer two examples from Austria. A woman who is one of Jehovah's Witnesses applied for an apartment in a village. The mayor of that village has a say on such decisions. At a meeting with the mayor, both parties came to an oral agreement. Upon departing the mayor asked in passing: "You do not belong to a sect, do you?" The woman said: "I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses." The mayor did not say anything, but was visibly shocked. Later the Witness was told that the apartment had to be given to someone else.

    At times, when seeking work, a trial period or preliminary tests are required for all applicants. The results of such trial periods have often been very positive for applicants who are Jehovah's Witnesses. Employers have advised them that they are very pleased with their work. However, when employers learn afterwards that the applicant is one of Jehovah's Witnesses, all interest in hiring them is dropped. Most employers have only expressed their reluctance verbally, but one letter explicitly stated: "We thank you for your application but we are sorry to have to tell you that based on our long experience we do not employ persons belonging to any kind of sect."

    DIFFERENTIAL TREATMENT IN SWEDEN

    The work of Jehovah's Witnesses began in Sweden in 1886. This year over 36,700 joined together in the annual celebration of the Memorial of Christ's death.

    Sweden just instituted an arrangement for registering religions, thus ending the existence of one official State religion. We are pleased to report that on March 13, 2000, the government registered Jehovah's Witnesses as a religious community. However, Sweden's labor and tax laws evidently make no exceptions for members of religious orders or other religious workers. Because of a lack of any acknowledgment of "volunteerism" even based on religious devotion, the Swedish government is in effect dictating how much time and energy one can devote to godly endeavors within the context of a monastic arrangement. In fact, other religions in Sweden no longer have volunteers, but have to rely on an employed staff under central collective agreements with labor unions. For Jehovah's Witnesses, volunteering our time and energy to promote true worship is the whole-souled sacrifice that we desire to make to God.

    Institutional Consequences:

    In most nations Jehovah's Witnesses have a national office that coordinates, under the direction of the Governing Body in New York, the religious activities of adherents in that land. Those serving in these offices belong to a religious order and provide their services free of charge. This inures to the benefit of Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide by keeping the cost of our religious endeavors to a minimum. Instead of recognizing the monastic nature of our office in Sweden, the authorities there are obligating each member of that office to pay a tax on any service he or she receives from others who also serve there. Labors of love, such as cooking, cleaning, or doing the laundry, contribute to a family environment and expedite efforts of others to translate and distribute our religious literature, and organize the worship of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout Sweden. These helpful endeavors are being assessed at the current "market value," that is, what it would cost to commercially obtain such services. Thus, they have become prohibitively expensive to those benefiting from those services, although no one is being paid. For example, a volunteer member of our religious order in Sweden receives approximately $100 to reimburse him for personal expenses incurred during the month. The tax imposed adds up to $937, almost 10 times the cash income that he receives.
    By requiring a tax for volunteer efforts—anything perceived as a personal service—the government has equated the self-sacrificing, religiously-motivated lifestyle of members of the coordinating office of Jehovah's Witnesses in Sweden with wealthy individuals who pay for such services. As a result of this attempt to secularize the religious activities of what takes place at our office in Sweden, we may have to drastically reduce the number of volunteers who serve there.

    Keeping this situation in mind, you may recall a Biblical event involving Jesus and Mary, the sister of Lazarus. Matthew, Mark and John all record the event, which took place not long before Jesus died. The account at Mark 14:3-8 states, in part: "A woman came with an alabaster case of perfumed oil, genuine nard, very expensive. Breaking open the alabaster case she began to pour it upon his head." Many of Jesus' followers objected to this act of kindness because of the cost of the gift. Jesus reprimanded them saying, "Let her alone. She did a fine deed toward me. She did what she could." The account estimates that Mary's gift of personal service cost 300 denarii, which was the equivalent of a year's wages. If Mary had attempted to render such a service today, Sweden would require Jesus to pay a tax of 10 times the value of the gift for Mary's personal service, i.e., 3,000 denarii in cash. Mary would have been precluded from rendering the service to Jesus and our Lord would have been precluded from accepting it. What Jesus called "a fine deed" would never have taken place. This well illustrates the dilemma facing our religious order in Sweden.

    Unhappily, this situation is not limited to Sweden, but is becoming more frequent throughout Western Europe.

    Personal Consequences:

    A case in point is a graduate of our missionary training school who has been serving voluntarily in Sweden since 1961. She has devoted her life to her religious work. She has acquired decades of experience as a translator of Bible literature. Now she has been forced to reduce the amount of time she formerly devoted to translation to cook her own meals, care for her own laundry, and clean her own room because she cannot afford the prohibitive tax that would be imposed if others were to care for those needs, as is routinely done in other branch offices of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world.

    In another case, a skilled worker had to decline participation in a renovation project of a house of worship. He wanted to donate his time, all costs involved with travel, and use of his tools to the project, but decided he could not afford to pay the high daily tax for the simple meals that would be prepared and served for free by members of the congregation.

    CONCLUSION

    The concept of legally legitimizing religious discrimination is fraught with problems, legally and morally. Yet that is what happens when nations adopt a multi-tiered system of religious recognition.

    International agreements have attempted to eliminate discrimination due to religious belief, but as we have seen, it still goes on. A new and worrisome trend in Europe is the refusal to recognize the religious nature of activities performed by volunteers. European labor and tax authorities are arbitrarily imposing an "employer/employee" relationship to the religious activities engaged in by those of Jehovah's Witnesses who are privileged to become members of the Order of Special Full-Time Servants, as our international religious order is known.

    Interestingly, the Supreme Administrative Court of Brazil ruled that members of our religious order in that land are not subject to taxes imposed on employees since the activities involved were religiously motivated rather than of a pecuniary nature. Are governments, who laud religious freedom and human rights on the one hand, acting consequentially when they limit "religious activities" to what they narrowly and arbitrarily define as "worship"?

    What is the solution?

    Personally, I am eagerly awaiting the fulfillment of the promise contained here in the Bible, in Isaiah 32:16 through 18, which says: "And in the wilderness justice will certainly reside, and in the orchard righteousness itself will dwell. And the work of the [true] righteousness must become peace; and the service of the [true] righteousness, quietness and security to time indefinite. And my people must dwell in a peaceful abiding place and in residences of full confidence and in undisturbed resting-places."

    Until that time arrives under God's Kingdom rule, I appeal to this committee to use its influence to protect and reinforce the universally recognized right of religious freedom in Western Europe.

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN WESTERN EUROPE: RELIGIOUS MINORITIES AND GROWING GOVERNMENT INTOLERANCE

    TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 1999

    Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe

    Washington, DC

    The Commission met at 10:11 a.m. in Room 2212, Rayburn House Office Building, Washington, DC, Hon. Christopher H. Smith, Chairman, and Hon. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Co-Chairman, presiding.

    Commission Members present: Hon. Christopher H. Smith, Chairman; Hon. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Co-Chairman; Hon. Sam Brownback; Hon. Steny Hoyer, Ranking Member; and Hon. Benjamin Cardin.

    Witnesses present: Willy Fautré, Chairman, Human Rights Without Frontiers; Alain Garay, Esq., on behalf of the Jehovah's Witnesses; and the Reverend Louis DeMeo, Theological Institute of Nimes, France.

    opening statement of
    Hon. Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Co-Chairman

    Senator Campbell. Good morning. In the absence of a gavel, I will just use one of our member's names here to call the hearing on the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe together, and Chairman Smith will be along very shortly, and I will just fill in starting it until he gets here. I thank you for appearing today.

    This Commission has already had two hearings on this issue, but the developments that raised our initial concerns have not stopped, and it is timely to revisit the issue of religious freedom in Western Europe, and that is what this hearing is going to focus on.
    I am pleased to join the Chairman to welcome the day's distinguished panel of guests, which I will introduce subsequently, but I certainly look forward to hearing your testimony.

    There have been some negative reactions to the Commission's earlier hearings on religious freedom. Some Europeans hold the view that the Commission is attempting to force the American First Amendment views on religion in Europe. The states certainly have different institutions and different values, and that criticism is just plain wrong.

    Principle VII of the Helsinki Final Act states, and I quote, that "the participating States will respect human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion, or belief for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion."
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    And later it says, "Within this framework, the participating states will recognize and respect the freedom of the individual to profess and practice alone or in community with others religion or belief acting in accordance with the dictates of their own conscience."

    The Final Act was signed on August 1, 1975, and all participating states voluntarily agreed to this principle.

    Principle VII's language was strengthened and elaborated in subsequent Helsinki process documents, all of which were adopted by consensus of all participating states. Thus, the idea that the Commission or the United States is trying to force our views on unwilling European states and peoples simply does not stand up to examination.

    What we are doing is asking our European partners to live up to the commitments they have already made to abide by these well-established international standards. The conflicts in Chechnya, Nagorno Karabakh, and the Balkans strong reinforce the need for this focus on religious freedom.

    While calling these conflicts religious wars could be wrong, it is true that there have been clear elements of religious intolerance in each of the conflicts, leading to some of the most brutal and vicious actions seen in Europe since the end of World War II.

    Thus, recognizing and respecting the individual's right to freedom of thought, conscience, religion, or belief is not an abstract ideal. It is an issue with direct impact on peace and security because when this human right is violated, people will react and react very strongly.

    Violations of religious liberty are not restricted to newly emerging democracies. We'll hear from our witnesses that some of our long time friends and Western allies are engaged in conduct that violates the Helsinki commitments.

    While some of the measures these states have taken are explained with reference to recent tragedies, we believe it is possible for these states to address legitimate welfare and law enforcement concerns without limiting or violating their citizens' human rights.

    And I welcome the first panel and would like to introduce them and thank them for traveling many miles to be with us today. Our distinguished panel includes Willy Fautré, Chairman of the Human Rights Without Frontiers; Alain Garay, a human rights lawyer from France and counsel to the Jehovah's Witness; and the Reverend Louis DeMeo of the Grace Church of Nimes, France.

    Representatives of the administration were invited to testify, but unfortunately had scheduling conflicts and were unable to join us today.

    And with that we'll go ahead and maybe start in that order with Mr. Fautré.
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    testimony of Willy Fautre,

    Chairman, Human Rights Without Frontiers



    Mr. Fautré. I feel honored to have received your invitation to talk about the growing tide of religious McCarthyism that is hitting a number of democratic states in Western Europe, and I thank you for your interest in this issue.

    In recent years, Europe has been shaken up by a new phenomenon, the fear of sects. This fear has been triggered off by the collective suicides, homicides, and attacks perpetrated on the initiative of leaders of religious movements or movements claiming to be religious.
    Western European states have been concerned by this phenomenon and rightly so. The question was asked as to whether their policies on unconventional religious should be changed so as to prevent these tragedies taking place in the country.

    The responses have been varied. Eleven out of 15 European Union states considered that sects did not harm the individual, the family, society, or their democratic institutions to the point of having to create new institutions, organizations to combat their influence. In their view, just as in past years, problems posed by certain religious movements could be resolved by the existing legislative arsenal or, where necessary, by resorting to normal legal methods.

    These countries have not as a result become a refuge for questionable religious movements or are not experiencing an increase in any crimes of harmful activities carried out by them.

    However, four of the countries decided to take a new course of action. Austria simply created an information and documentation center about sects, placing it under the authority of the Federal Ministry of Environment, Youth, and Family. A brochure containing information about sects was also widely distributed.

    This prevention campaign warned principally against 11 guru-led movements of oriental origin, three psychological groups, two groups claiming to spring from New Revelations, three religions of Christian origin, and four other groups under the category "various."

    Germany set up a parliamentary commission and published a report. Scientology was placed under surveillance, but no legal action is currently being taken against the movement.

    France set up a parliamentary inquiry commission which published a report containing a list of 172 so-called dangerous and harmful sects. An observatory of sects was put into action, and then later replaced by a more operational instrument, the Interministerial Mission to Fight Sects.

    A widespread climate of suspicion and fear has already been spawned by the media, leading to new acts of intolerance and religious discrimination unheard of before the setting up of the anti-sect policy by the French authorities. The all-out war against sects by the Interministerial Mission reinforces this pervading phobia.
    Belgium followed closely on France's heels: creation of a parliamentary inquiry commission; publication of a report annexing a list of 189 movements suspected of being harmful sects; creation of an observatory of sects at the beginning of May, along with an administrative coordination committee against sects; a sect prevention campaign led by the French community of Belgium on TV, radio, along with a massive distribution of an information brochure. The depraved effects noted in France are now spilling over into Belgium.

    In France and in the French-speaking part of Belgium, the authorities have chosen to reject any form of dialogue with minority religions, unlike, for example, Sweden or Spain and others, favoring the confrontational method, more often than not with the support of anti-sect associations.

    Ever since the beginning of the phenomenon, no dialogue has been entered into, and there is no sign of a change in course.

    In Greece, the war against cults has been carried out with much zeal by the Anti-heretic Department of the Orthodox Church. Therefore, the state has never felt the necessity of setting up a parliamentary inquiry commission on cults.

    However, in 1993, the confidential report drafted by the Greek National Intelligence Service which was leaked to the media revealed that the Intelligence Service had been keeping files and classifying non-Orthodox citizens according to their respective religion, putting their activities under police surveillance, and encouraging authorities to take repressive and preventive measures against these "non-genuine" Greeks.

    The Roman Catholic Church and more than 30 Protestant churches and organizations, including the Lutheran Church, were listed as national enemies and put under surveillance by the Intelligence Service. Since then the Greek authorities have put an end to such practices, but one of the victims of this policy, a Jehovah's Witness named Gabriel Tsavachidis, went to court and presented his case in Strasbourg.

    The case concerned allegations that he had been placed under secret surveillance by the National Intelligence Service in the context of criminal proceedings against him for operating a church without the necessary permit. In this case, the Greek state was anxious to avoid a new public condemnation by the European Court on Human Rights and asked Tsavachidis to conclude a friendly settlement.

    The final agreement concluded on the 21st of January of this year provided that the Greek state would pay him one million and a half drachmas, and that in the future an end would be put to the surveillance of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    This decision is of vital importance at a time when several member states of the European Union are putting a number of so-called cults under surveillance in total impunity.

    What are the latest developments? Since the European Parliament rejected Mrs. Maria Berger's report on cults in the European Union in July 1998, no further initiative has been taken in that body.

    At the Council of Europe, Mr. Nastase's report on cults is pending. On the 29th of April 1999, it was withdrawn from the agenda, but it is now on the agenda for June 21.

    In Austria, there are no new developments. The massive distribution of an information brochure warning against a number of sects goes on within the legal framework of the federal law about the setting up a bureau for documentation and information about cult questions.

    In Germany, no further initiatives have been taken by the new government formed by the SPD and the Greens, but sect filters barring the access of Scientologists to jobs in the public sector is still in force.
    Regarding the Scientology movement, there are now some signs that the authorities at the level of the Landers have no concrete illegal facts to produce against the Scientology movement that justifies continued surveillance.

    I will now discuss the aftermath of these policies for minority religious groups. Since the publication of reports in France and in Belgium, Human Rights Without Frontiers has received an increasing number of complaints from individuals adhering to one of the so-called 172 cults: defamation, slander, anonymous threats, loss of reputation, loss of jobs or promotions, dismissals, loss of visitation rights or child custody in divorce settlement, bomb threats in rented rooms, denial of room renting for religious ceremonies and so on.

    The so-called campaigns of information and prevention against sects have also produced negative effects. In France, fourth grade students in public junior high schools are subjected to anti-cult propaganda and tales of atrocities about a number of "sects" included in an official school book of civic education.

    In Austria, names of so-called dangerous sects are included in a brochure which was massively distributed all over the country.

    In Belgium, a free phone help line has been set up to disseminate teaching material on "sects" and to suggest responses to any cultist's questions or concern, or to make a referral to an anti-sect association.

    In Belgium, the French community has published 250,000 tracts and 60,000 brochures targeting about 30 movements labeled as dangerous sects. Spots warning against sects are also presented in cinema halls, on radio, and on television.

    However, courageous active resistance against this all-out offensive needs to be stressed. The Anthroposophic Society, presented as, "an esoteric sect passing on secret teaching and magic powers," and accused of illegal medical practices supposedly resulting in the death of a young girl, has successfully lodged a complaint against the French Community of Belgium.

    A court of first instances in Brussels has ordered the French Community to stop the distribution of its brochure. Now the Anthroposophic Society has filed another complaint against the Belgium Observatory on Sects on the grounds that Belgians who do not profess an established religion or are secular humanists or members of other philosophical or religious movements are discriminated against through the activity of the Observatory

    These lawsuits add a new dimension to the ongoing debate over attempts by some European governments to investigate and control religious groups considered to be dangerous cults.

    In Greece, the issue of religious intolerance and discrimination is closely connected with the status of its religious minorities which must live in the shadow of the powerful Orthodox Church. Religious minorities in Greece include Orthodox Old Calendarists, Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Protestants of various denominations, and Jehovah's Witnesses, to name a few.

    In Greece, there are two official categories of religions: known religions and unknown religions. The status of known religions allows a specific faith to fully enjoy the constitutional provisions guaranteeing religious freedom. Known religions have more rights than any other religion.

    The Eastern Orthodox Church, which is the dominant religion, enjoys the most privileges. The state finances the salaries of the clergy, the construction and the maintenance of their church buildings, with taxes gathered from all taxpayers, including those professing another faith or no faith at all.

    Under the dictatorship of General Metaxas at the end of the 1930s, laws were passed that denied non-Orthodox believers the right to manifest their religion or beliefs in teaching, worship, and observance in community with others and in public, and the right to express their faith and religious beliefs or to publicly endeavor to share them through individual contacts, personal conversations, et cetera.

    These laws, called "laws of necessity," made it compulsory to acquire a state permit for building or setting up non-Orthodox places of worship, provided for the expulsion of foreigners engaged in missionary activities and so on. These laws are still in force in 1999.

    Another issue also needs to be highlighted: the compulsory mention of religious adherence on the identity cards. Despite repeated condemnations by the European Parliament, Greek authorities have upheld this obligation. Moreover, the Orthodox Church has voiced strong opposition to the parliamentary ratification of the Shengen Agreements because, among other things, religious adherence will not be mentioned on the identification documents in all the signatory countries.

    In conclusion regarding the situation in Greece, I'd like to point out that since the socialist government has gained power in Athens, there is an opportunity to end the status quo in religious matters, and it needs to be stressed.

    The decisions of the European Courts on Human Rights have largely contributed to the change of the mentalities. Now in Greece there is a political will to adapt the religious policy to the European standards. Yet the powerful Orthodox Church remains an obstacle to the modernization of the existing legislation.

    Several battles have been won in the field of conscientious objection to military service, freedom of religious expression, and discrimination toward minority religions.

    In the Kokkinakis and Manoussakis cases, half victories have been won against the anti-proselytism laws. They must be transformed into full victories. These laws and the corresponding constitutional
    provisions must be abolished by the Greeks themselves. This is of vital importance not only for Greece, but also for other Orthodox countries which have signed the European Convention.

    Indeed, tomorrow the parliaments of other countries where the Orthodox Church is dominant or where there is a state church might vote or be tempted to vote for similar laws especially under the guise of anti-cult legislation.

    An end must be put to the categorization of religions in Greece, to the discriminatory financing of the sole Orthodox Church, to the mention of religious adherence on identity cards, and, last but not least, to unfair relationships with minority religious communities, particularly the Muslim community.

    I will end with a few words about the international agreements that guarantee religious freedom in Europe.

    All European states, those I have mentioned, but also others, have agreed to be bound by several international agreements, including the charter of the United Nations, the European Convention, the International Covenant for Civil and Political Rights, and the OSCE, commitments including the important 1989 Vienna Concluding Document.

    In addition to these binding instruments, there are several other important documents that outline international standards, including the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Declaration of the Elimination of All Forms of Intolerance and Discrimination Based on the Religion or Belief, and the Human Rights Committee general comment on Article 18.

    All major international human rights conventions, as well as other international conventions to which France, Belgium, Germany, Austria, Greece, and other European states, are signatories include a clause that prohibits discrimination on the basis of religion, and they should be reminded of them.

    Thank you for your attention.

    Mr. Smith. Thank you, Mr. Fautré, for your excellent testimony.

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    CSCE
    June 1999
    (cont)

    Testimony of Alain Garay, Esq., on behalf of the Jehovah's Witnesses

    Mr. Garay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, members of the Commission.

    I am a French lawyer who has been involved in the cases in Strasbourg against Austria, Greece, and Bulgaria. Now I am involved in cases in Strasbourg in front of the European Commission against Russia and my own country. It is quite significant, I feel.

    Today I am in charge of approximately 1,500 cases concerning the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    It is true that in the past two years the Russian Federation, an eight-year-old democracy, has been roundly criticized for its discriminatory treatment of religions minorities. The passage of the 1997 Law on Religion in Russia, for example, brought about an international hew and cry.
    However, the French Republic, a 200-year-old democracy, has not received the same attention for its discriminatory treatment of some of those same religious minorities.
    Since 1995, Jehovah's Witnesses, the third largest Christian faith in France, has suffered from a virtual administrative inquisition. Jehovah's Witnesses have been subjected to parliamentary inquiries, a campaign of defamation in the media, continual audits by tax, labor, and social authorities, the assessment of a punitive $50 million tax bill, and the loss also of employment of some members because of the faith.

    The climate is such that one French national deputy felt free to publicly refer to Jehovah's Witnesses as "pigs" who should have their "throats cut" by the tax authorities.

    Despite the fact that European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has clearly supported the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses to practice their faith without harassment and despite the protection of religious freedom that should be afforded by France's own constitution, Jehovah's Witnesses continue to be treated like criminals in their own country, and this pattern of discrimination reveals a disregard for religious freedom that is unacceptable for a modern democracy and for a member of the OSCE.

    So let me quickly review the pattern of discrimination in France since the year of 1995.

    Jehovah's Witnesses have been established in France since the beginning of the century, and they now number a quarter of a million practicing Christians and their associates.

    Trouble began for this peaceful religion in 1995 with a defamation campaign in the media. Then in 1996, the Parliamentary Report of Investigation created by the French National Assembly into so-called sects published a blacklist of 173 movements, including Jehovah's Witnesses. And the report identified without distinction all 173 groups as "dangerous sects."
    Even though the report was strongly criticized by scholars and human rights advocates for its unscientific treatment and obvious bias, the French report spawned other so-called sect lists in Europe. And the consequences for many groups, including the Jehovah's Witnesses, have been devastating.

    Because this report is informational and has no legal standing, it has not been possible for us to challenge it in the French courts. But the report has encouraged the media in their campaign against minority religions in general and against Jehovah's Witnesses in particular. In 1995 and 1996, there were more than 300 negative articles in the media on Jehovah's Witnesses alone.

    In addition, the report recommended repressive actions, such as tighter fiscal scrutiny and taxation of listed groups. French tax authorities used these recommendations as their authority to launch a full-scale attack against the listed groups.

    The national organization of Jehovah's Witnesses was subjected to continuous audits from 1995 to 1998. These audits included inspections from tax, social, and labor authorities. As a result of the inspections, the authorities found evidence that the activity of the Association of Jehovah's Witness was of a commercial nature.
    We maintain that, on the contrary, all of the activities of Jehovah's Witnesses are purely religious and charitable in nature.

    Nonetheless, on May 14, 1998, the tax authorities filed a notice of assessment against the religion claiming that the religion owed a 60 percent tax on all contributions receive at their places of worship. This means that for every $10 donated by one of Jehovah's Witnesses to his church, $6 goes to the state in the form of a tax.

    The same is not true for the other Christian religions in France. Why it is true only for the Jehovah's Witness? The back taxes amount to about $50 million now.

    On January 18th, 1999, the fiscal authorities confirmed their assessment by sending the collection bill for the taxation on religious contributions, and until today they have not replied to the administrative protest made by the Jehovah's Witness Association.

    At the same time, the parliamentary inquisition is not over. On June 15, 1999, next week, a new Parliamentary Inquiry Commission on the financing of sects will complete its work and is expected to issue another report. A very detailed questionnaire of 29 pages was sent to a number of minority groups in April 1999. And this new commission has also asked the state police, gendarmie, a sort of secret police, for assistance with their investigations.

    There is also additional evidence of the pattern of discrimination against religious minorities in general and Jehovah's Witnesses in particular in France, both as a religious faith and as individuals. For instance, I am going to highlight four things.

    As just mentioned, in 1999, there has been a nationwide inquiry by the state police on the legal and fiscal structure of the local churches of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Second, the French administration has refused to renew the work contracts of several day care workers simply because they were Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Third, a public school teacher in Brittany was transferred from her well-established job in one school to another school in 1996 simply because she is one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

    Four, by a decree, dated October 7, 1998, signed by Lionel Jospin, Jacques Chirac, the Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects, was established. The purpose of the Mission, and I quote, is "to incite the public services to take, while respecting public liberties, any appropriate measures to foresee and to fight against the actions of sects that undermine human dignity or that are a threat to public order."

    And, finally, recently, on December 1, 1998, the Minister of Justice, Elizabeth Gigou, signed a circular addressed to the courts in order to counteract the actions of sectarian movements that hinder persons and their belongings.

    So these administrative weapons are aimed at movements simply because they were listed by the state police, gendarmes, and the Parliamentary Commission, while scientific or legal explanation for inclusion on that list is distinctly lacking.

    Since there is no acceptable legal definition of sects or constitutional definition of sects, the public authorities in France are using the political definition prepared by the state police and a few, very few members of the parliament. These measures are threatening the material existence and the activities of minority religious groups in France.

    Let me finish with some standards of the jurisprudence established in Strasbourg by the European Commission on Human Rights.

    As you know, Article 9 of the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights guarantees to all freedom of thought, conscience and religion, either alone or in community. Article 14 requires also that rights and freedoms set forth in the convention are secured without discrimination on any group, including religious groups.

    So by time, Jehovah's Witnesses' repeated appeals to the European Court of Human Rights for protection of these rights have had systematic success against Greece, Austria, and recently, Bulgaria.
    For instance, in the first case dealing with Article 9 in Strasbourg, the European Court, in the Kokkinakis case, described Jehovah's Witnesses as a "known religion," which is a technical legal term under Greek law.

    Initially, as mentioned by Mr. Fautré, in 1999, the Court in Tsavachidis v. Greece, decided against Greece, which was forced to abandon secret surveillance of Gabriel Tsavachidis whose only crime was involvement with his religion, Jehovah's Witnesses.
    Have these court precedents provided sufficient protection for Jehovah's Witnesses in France and in the rest of Europe? No. The international law on which these court precedents rely continues to be ignored in many ways.

    In conclusion, today's anti-sect hysteria or paranoia in Europe has been compared by some to the McCarthy period in the United States. Danger is seen everywhere, even in the most innocent settings. Although U.S. Senator McCarthy failed to make a plausible case against any of his victims, his flamboyant accusations drove people from their jobs and ruined the reputations of the innocent.

    Today, the mere accusation that a religious movement is a sect is enough to bring persecution to its members. Those with the courage to fight the slander and to speak for the falsely accused are themselves labeled as "sect sympathizers."
    The fact that France and other countries in Western Europe feel free to discriminate against minorities poses a special danger. Why should emerging nations feel compelled to respect minority rights if a world leader like France is free to discriminate?
    The evidence of intolerance is seen in an explosion of parliamentary investigations and discriminatory laws in Belgium, Germany, and Austria. So we call on the respected members of this Commission to use their voices to encourage France to set an example of tolerance, to practice the principles of "liberte, egalite, fraternite" on which France was founded.

    Thus, we ask you to turn the spotlight of international attention toward the discrimination of minorities and xenophobia growing in Western Europe, and we hope that you will continue to encourage respect for fundamental freedoms as outlined in the United Nation's Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the European Convention for Human Rights, and of course, the freedoms guaranteed by the Helsinki Final Act and the Charter of Paris.

    Thank you very much.

    Mr. Smith. Thank you very much for your excellent testimony.

  • wannahelp
    wannahelp

    Ooops..

    Looks like this is gonna expose a little more than just the WT/UN fornication.. Wonder how long the've been part of the "world's political system"?

  • MadApostate
    MadApostate

    The following excerpts include some interesting comments regarding XJWs and FreeMasons teaming up in Belgium. Makes me wonder about some of our posters here who continue to spout the "Russell was a FM" nonsense. Hidden agendas?

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    CSCE
    June 1999
    Excerpts
    (cont)

    Senator Campbell. In my opening statement I mentioned some of the accusations that OSCE is getting kind of accusing us of interfering, trying to influence European policy with our First Amendment beliefs.

    I would ask you. What risks do we take as the United States in raising these religious issues, especially in light of some of the anti-American sentiment that is growing in some parts of Europe?

    Anyone. Mr. Garay, or since you are an American, Mr. DeMeo, maybe you would like to comment on that.

    Mr. Garay. It is true, Mr. Co-Chairman, that when we are defending such principles of religious freedom and, in particular, because some religions are seen as coming entirely from the United States, the first reaction of many people is, "But you are defending the American point of view. You are defending the concept of the First Amendment."

    For example, I can quote Mr. Alain Vivien, the Chairman of the Interministerial Mission to Fight Against Sects. He was appointed by Jacques Chirac, the President. In an article about these freedoms he says that, and I quote him,"Americans may revise the First Amendment, understandable because the first pioneers who were persecuted in Europe for religious reasons are the idea of secular and religious peace, but today vast enough and very nefarious interests hide themselves behind an allegedly religious cultist. In this we have a good fight to pick up with our U.S. friends."

    And the same statement is made by many, many people against the U.S. concept of religious freedom. They try to separate religious with political borders, but we believe that the religious freedom does not have any border if we hold governments to their international commitments.

    Senator Campbell. Okay. Thank you.

    ...
    ...

    Mr. Garay. We feel that today the government is lacking information. They need more information and dialogue. France is not alone in the world, of course, and a number of the groups are organized on an international scale. Why France does not ask you or does not ask Italy, does not ask Great Britain about the situation of Jehovah's Witnesses, for instance, or other groups? So the lack of information, basically it is a problem.

    Second, I will say that the role of the secretaries is fundamental. Now we know that in France we have what we call the sect police gendarmie. It acts officially without any legal definition of what is a sect. Why? Because they began investigating after the suicides of the Order of the Solar Temple in France and in Canada, and after the suicides of Heaven's Gate in San Diego, and they believe that every group that is different is like these groups.

    There is a belief that any non-Catholic group promotes suicide, or that a group will promote fanaticism because they are not Protestants. So we feel that it is very important to clarify in a democracy what groups are doing in their sacred services because they are not working openly.
    If we are working in a democracy, we need transparency, but the blacklist of the 173 movements was made by the Secretary. It is clear. It is evident in the report. The French parliamentary, the French deputies say that we do not have any definition, but we will agree with the Secretary and with the list made by the Secretary without any contradiction.

    And the third reason, maybe it is a lack of religious faith of the French officials. France is a republic which does not recognize any religion. As you know, since 1905, the state does not recognize any religion. It is the lacite.

    But I think it is a myth because the state recognizes on the fiscal ground what is a religion. For instance, if you want to receive a legacy, if you want to be exempt from the tax donation, you have to prove that you are a religion. So who is able to say you are a religion or not?

    And many, many officials do not understand this system. They say that if you are not Catholic, Protestant, Jew, or Muslim, you are not a religion. It is so simple.

    Mr. Fautré. I think that beyond this matter of minority religions, there are various ideological and other religious forces at work, depending on the country.

    I will start with Germany. There was an Enquette Commission, but inside the commission you had representatives of established churches. So that was a wonderful opportunity for them to get rid of competitors like minority religions.

    In Belgium and France, you had no such representatives of minority churches on the Parliamentary Commissions. But, there were representatives of other forces, and I will explain about that.

    The president of the Parliamentary Commission on Cults in Belgium is a Socialist. He is agnostic. Mr. Moureaux is known to be anti-Catholic, and in Belgium generally if you are a member of the Socialist Party, you are anti-Catholic and anti-religious.

    One of the vice chairmen, Mr. Desquenes from the Liberal Party, is known to be a Freemason, and Freemasonry in Belgium is also quite anti-religious. Quite recently, an association, an anti-cult association was created in Belgium. That was last month. In fact, they were all former members of Jehovah's Witnesses. An article was published in the press, and you saw a picture of the founding members, and next to the founding members you had the vice chairman of the Parliamentary Commission on Cults who is supposed to be neutral and objective.

    So we have Socialists in Belgium. We have agnostics. We have atheists. We have Freemasons.

    In France, at the head of the Commission, you had a fierce communist, Mr. Brard. He is communist and an atheist. I think that he is following his personal agenda using the Commission for personal purposes.

    So I think that it is different from one country to another, and that should be taken into consideration. Austria is a bit more like Germany because the established churches could also get rid of minority religions through measures that were taken, such as prevention campaign against cults.

    Mr. Smith. Let me just briefly follow up on that, and then yield to Mr. Brownback, who will have to leave momentarily for another hearing.

    We know the communists, and as a matter of fact, Solzhenitsyn was so clear on this as to the hatred of God, that it truly is at the core of atheistic communism, but you mentioned the Freemasons. How widespread are they, and what is their?

    Mr. Fautré. In Belgium, they are very influential. At the University of Brussels, ULB, most of the professors are Freemasons, and it is known to be the bastion on the Freemasonry in Belgium, and that university produces, I would say, most of the intellectuals who are not Catholic in Belgium. They have got key positions in the media, in the political parties, and in the state institutions.

    Mr. Smith. Now, does that have any impact on the report that will be coming out from the Council of Europe?

    Mr. Fautré. It does.

    Mr. Smith. How do they influence the Council of Europe, those different groups, the communists, the Freemasons, those who are taking an anti-religious point of view?

    Mr. Fautré. It is quite clear that they try to lobby the European institutions, including the Council of Europe. A few years ago, there was a meeting behind closed doors assessing the situation of the danger that was posed by sects, and in that meeting there were figures coming from anti-cult movements, like Mr. Abacale in France, but no one from the academic world, no sociologist of religion, no historian of religion was invited to that meeting. The minutes of that meeting were not accessible to public.

    Mr. Smith. Are we approaching a period of time when clerics may, as they have in places like the PRC and in other communist countries, find themselves being arrested?

    Are people at risk if this cancer of anti-faith and anti-religious perspective takes hold?

    Mr. Fautré. It is a battle. It will be waged at the Council of Europe on the 21st of June will be of major importance because the first battle was fought at the European Parliament which culminated in Mrs. Berger's report being rejected.

  • Trilobite
    Trilobite

    Stephen Bates strikes again in an unrelated but very interesting article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4279727,00.html

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