by Dark_Princess 55 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The jw religion is hated all right - most ex jws, including myself, hate it with a passion.
As for the rest of the world, most of them couldn't care less about jws, apart from when they make thier irritating visits on weekends. If you want to see real religious hatred, go to the Middle East, or to the Catholic or Protestant areas of Belfast, and make a complimentary remark about the other side.
Several days ago you posted the following:
loL WOW..do i not go through the same crap and im only 17 years old..my dad FORCES THE RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT UNTIL I GET ENOUGH OF A HEADACHE OF IT!..ERRG ITS SO BORING!..the meetings ok i can admit r sometimes inspiring, but to sit there listend to BS, for 2 hours and a half, OMG! someone like KILL ME NOW! "OH MIGHTY JEHOVAH IF THIS IS WUT U CALL A GIFT FOR UR TO LIVE..STRIKE ME NOW PLZ I BEG OF YOU"..lol...i am currently a wiccan so..haha..its wutever..i lover my religion i just converted from JW's..and my life is heck of alot betetr..WOW its a huge change..lol the only bad thing is my father doesnt know who is currently a JW.haha
So you have gone from being a "Wiccan" to a JW in the space of several days? Wow, quite the transformation. Stick with Wicca instead of a publishing corporation.
Please don't feed the TROLLS.
Hey, welcome to the forum.
Nice place to hang.
Hm, you make some interesting points I guess.
A couple of reasons why I would not consider the jw's to be the true religion:
a) Didn't Jesus say himself how his followers would be identified? By love. The policies that the jw's hold in place are Not loving. Rather they are controlling and harmful to both their members and society in general. (You might want to take a look at the child abuse section) Also, the disfellowshipping policy held in place, is there primarily to keep people from asking too many questions. The secrecy is unbelievable.
b) How can someone actually rewrite the New Testament and be considered the true religion?
c) IF they are the true religion, then they are badly lacking in paying attention to what the bible says. I thought their latest tract was a good example of this. Jesus taught Not to judging others, not to be seeking to extract the twig (or whatever it's called in the NWT) out of the eye of others, when there is a log stuck in their own. What do the JW's do? Oh, yeah, that's right, condemn every single religon that is out there, while patting themselves on the back as if they already have made it into the new system.
I really hope you are looking objectively at the Witnesses.
The best question to ask yourself is Not are they the true religion, rather are they a good example of what Jesus taught his followers would be.
It's a pretty funny thing. I know people from so many different walks of life, and regardless of faith or religious, we're all pretty agreed that the basic teachings of Jesus are based on love and hope. You could go ahead and be Wiccan and still see the wisdom of Jesus' teachings.
My advice? Forget trying to figure out if there is a true religion and just go with the flow of the teachings of Jesus and you'll probably do ok.
Welcome here enjoy your stay.
(now I'm off to watch the game)
Sounds like a lot of bragging and grandizing to me.
Yah let's brag about the world hating us .LOL Interesting how jesus can make Gods name manifest among men when he's never quoted as using the name Jehovah. He did say the world will hate you on account of me and my name not because of the name JEHOVAH. The apostles all preached about jesus not JEHOVAH.
PROOF THIS JW Religion COULD BE THE TRUE RELIGION
Does anyone else see the logical fallicy in this statement. Proof that the religon could be the true religion. Either it is the truth and can be proven. Or it is not the true religion and can't be proven.
I think you might want to work on your debating or logic skills first and foremost. I do not understand why people continue to use publications from the very thing they are trying to understand or prove to someone else and expect that person not to see through it. If you're going to try to prove something to me, you will have to step outside of the box you're in and prove it from another angle and with many more sources than you've quoted here. You're using circular logic here. You simply cannot make a valid case if you only use one source, in this case, the Jehovah's Witness publications and the Bible. Find another way to prove your point that something could be true.
Uhm... well if you are basing which religion is the most hated, there are lots.
I would venture to say most people hate Satanists (whether they know anything about them or not, they just fear the word). There are a lot of Muslim haters right now... or, wait... I know, how about that little fundamentalist sect that pickets soldier's funerals with huge signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS", now THOSE people are pretty easy to hate, wouldn't you say?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
Doesn't this seem like an odd way to choose (G)od's approved religion?
Here is an incomplete list of cults, the cult world, taken from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_purported_cults
Aesthetic Realism </wiki/Aesthetic_Realism>
(Jewish Times, 2003) <http://www.jewishtimes.com/scripts/edition.pl?now=5/25/1999&SubSectionID=48&ID=2161>Al-Qaeda </wiki/Al-Qaeda>
(AsianWeek, 2001) <http://www.asianweek.com/2001_11_16/opinion_voices.html>(USA Today) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/alqaeda/alqaeda22.html>(Le Monde Diplomatique) <http://www.monde-diplomatique.fr/2002/01/CONESA/15984>(Le Nouvel Observateur) <http://www.nouvelobs.com/dossier/dossier16.html>Aquarian Concepts </w/index.php?title=Aquarian_Concepts&action=edit>
(San Diego Union Tribune) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/acc/acc1.html>Aum Shinrikyo </wiki/Aum_Shinrikyo>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(Insight) <http://www.insightmag.com/news/1998/01/26/Nation/Military.Terrorisms.New.Theater-213831.shtml>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/837000.stm>Beasts of Satan </w/index.php?title=Beasts_of_Satan&action=edit>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4287995.stm>(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/story/0,,1420295,00.html>The Body of Christ </wiki/The_Body_of_Christ>
(a.k.a. Attleboro Cult) (Boston Herald)(NEIRR) <http://www.neirr.org/AttleboroHistoryNew.htm>Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University </wiki/Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_University>
(Eloy Rodríguez-Valdés) <http://galeon.hispavista.com/investigacionsectas/productos1092285.html>Branch Davidians </wiki/Branch_Davidians>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Salon) <http://dir.salon.com/news/feature/2000/07/06/waco/index.html?sid=879233>(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(SF Chronicle) <http://cultinfobooks.com/pub_affnb/obit/obit_singer_margaret.htm>(Insight) <http://www.insightmag.com/news/2001/06/18/FairComment/Renos.Halfway.House-256571.shtml>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Chen Tao </wiki/Chen_Tao>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/42267.stm>(ABCnews) <http://www.people.vcu.edu/~dbromley/god'ssalvationchurchLink.htm>Children of God </wiki/Children_of_God>
(a.k.a. "The Family") (60 Minutes) <http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_10_16/story_1533.asp>(ABC) <http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/ABC_News:_Tale_of_the_Tape>(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/688317.stm>(CNN) <http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0501/18/acd.01.html>(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/homeentertainment/story/0,,1241128,00.html>(LA Times) <http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/Los_Angeles_Times:_Tragic_Legacies_of_a_Sex-Based_Religion:_Murder_and_Suicide>(London Times) <http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/London_Times:_Revenge_of_a_son_on_cult_of_free_love>(NY Times) <http://www.xfamily.org/index.php/New_York_Times:_Murder_
and_Suicide_Reviving_Claims_of_Child_Abuse_in_Cult>(SF Chronicle) <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/02/06/CULT.TMP>(WP, 1993) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/children_of_god/main.htm>
Church of God with Signs Following </wiki/Church_of_God_with_Signs_Following>
-One of the larger Snake handling </wiki/Snake_handling> groups. (George Dearborn Spindler) <http://books.google.ca/books?vid=ISBN185000773X&id=dW3MS88NZR0C&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=american+baptist+cult&sig=U0uxTJGK3q1LoGnocQNWm6VnrHA>
Church of Scientology </wiki/Church_of_Scientology>
/Church of Spiritual Technology </wiki/Church_of_Spiritual_Technology>(Salon) <http://archive.salon.com/feb97/news/news970225.html>(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(TIME) <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Fishman/time-behar.html>(Buffalo News) <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/JeremyPerkins/Articles/buffalo-news-2005-01-30.html>(Boston Herald) <http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s04a01.html>(Boston Herald) <http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/bostonherald/results.html?num=25&st=basic&QryTxt=inside+church+scientology&sortby=REVERSE_CHRON&datetype=0>(xenu TV) <http://xenutv.bogie.nl/us/60min-can.htm>(Skeptictank) <http://www.skeptictank.org/nl/nutl194.htm>
Church Universal and Triumphant </wiki/Church_Universal_and_Triumphant>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/427215.stm>(RM) <http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/NRMS_unedit/cut.html>(USCR) <http://www.democrats.reform.house.gov/Documents/20040830103758-73537.pdf>Colonia Dignidad </wiki/Colonia_Dignidad>
or Villa Baviera of Paul Schäfer (NY Times) <http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/16/international/americas/16chile.html?oref=login&oref=login>(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4370607.stm>(TVNZ) <http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/506420/478847>Concerned Christians </wiki/Concerned_Christians>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/251815.stm>(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>(NY Post) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/cc/cc34.html>(AP) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/cc/cc11.html>Creativity Movement </wiki/Creativity_Movement>
(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1434137,00.html>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>D-F
Deer Tribe Metis </wiki/Deer_Tribe_Metis>
(Phoenix New Times) <http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/issues/2002-06-13/news/feature.html>est </wiki/Erhard_Seminars_Training>
(Forbes) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/est/estpt13.html>Falun Gong </wiki/Falun_Gong>
(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguide/tvradio/story/0,,1429570,00.html>(Massey News) <http://masseynews.massey.ac.nz/2005/Press_Releases/08-18-05.html>Fiat Lux </wiki/Fiat_Lux>
(cult/sect) (London Times) <http://www.religionnewsblog.com/13604/the-end-is-nigh-says-cult-leader>Friends of the Western Buddhist Order </wiki/Friends_of_the_Western_Buddhist_Order>
(Guardian) <http://www.fwbo-files.com/guardian_article_v2.htm>G-I
Green Dragon Temple </w/index.php?title=Green_Dragon_Temple&action=edit>
(TVNZ) <http://www.tvnz.co.nz/view/page/506420/248838>Heaven's Gate </wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_%28cult%29>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(TIME) <http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,920573,00.html>(Insight) <http://www.insightmag.com/news/1998/01/12/Culture/Millennium.Schmillennium-211956.shtml>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>(Patrick J Carnes) <http://books.google.ca/books?vid=ISBN1558745262&id=pEdMu4JVsc8C&pg=PA59&lpg=PA59&dq=cult&sig=i8KgX5-TKlOCrTOODRjZ6RFtfy0>
Ho No Hana </wiki/Ho_No_Hana>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1087178.stm>, (Salon) <http://www.salon.com/travel/planet/2000/05/09/toes/>(CESNUR) <http://www.cesnur.org/2001/hono_march01.htm>House of Yahweh </wiki/House_of_Yahweh>
(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Iglesia ni Cristo </wiki/Iglesia_ni_Cristo>
(Chicago Tribune)[4]J-L
Jeffrey Lundgren </wiki/Jeffrey_Lundgren>
(AP) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/lundgren/lundgren1.html>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Jesus Army </wiki/Jesus_Army>
(Northampton Citizen) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army1.html>(Chronicle and Echo) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/jesus_army/jesus_army6.html>Kenja Communication; Kenneth Dyers; Jan Hamilton [[1] <http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/V3
Key/LC19930422020>][[2] <http://www.rickross.com/reference/kenja/kenja14.html>]
LaRouche Movement </wiki/LaRouche_Movement>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Guardian) <http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1340301,00.html>M-O
Manson Family </wiki/Charles_Manson>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Ma Tsu cult (Comparative Studies in Society and History, 1988 (vol.30-n.4), pp 674-697) <http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0010-4175%28198810%2930%3A4%3C674%3AHATROL%3E2.0.CO%3B2-A&size=LARGE>
Mary Kay </wiki/Mary_Kay>
(Asian Pacific Post) <http://brandnoise.typepad.com/brand_noise/2005/12/the_cult_of_mar.html>MOVE </wiki/MOVE>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God </wiki/Movement_for_the_Restoration_of_the_Ten_Commandments_of_God>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/695268.stm>(ABCnews) <http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81484&page=1>(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,182210,00.html>(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,182132,00.html>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Mungiki </wiki/Mungiki>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2745421.stm>(Canadian Immigration and Refugee Board) <http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/?action=view&doc=ken43322fe>Nation of Islam </wiki/Nation_of_Islam>
(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,11374,657611,00.html>(Scotland on Sunday) <http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=10032004>National Labor Federation </wiki/National_Labor_Federation>
(NY Times) <http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/n/natlfed/kifner.htm>(East Hampton Star) <http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/n/natlfed/bestberliner.htm>
New Christian Church of the Full Endeavor in Byron Bay (The Courier Mail (Australia)) <http://www.countercult.com/news1/an010519-15.html> - a branch of Endeavor Academy </wiki/Endeavor_Academy>
New Kadampa Tradition </wiki/New_Kadampa_Tradition>
(Guardian) <http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1996/7/6_3.html>Order of the Solar Temple </wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>P-R
Pana Wave </wiki/Pana_Wave>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/3029183.stm>(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2991439.stm>(The Straits Times) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/pana_wave/pana_wave2.html>(Reuters) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/pana_wave/pana_wave3.html>(Sydney Morning Herald) <http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/05/02/1051382076637.html>Peoples Temple </wiki/Peoples_Temple>
(Enc) <http://encarta.msn.com/text_761580494___0/Cult.html>(Wpost) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/overview70s.htm>(SF Chronicle) <http://cultinfobooks.com/pub_affnb/obit/obit_singer_margaret.htm>(OCRT) <http://www.religioustolerance.org/destruct.htm>Philippine Benevolent Missionaries Association </w/index.php?title=Philippine_Benevolent_Missionaries_Association&action=edit>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2052994.stm>Posse Comitatus </wiki/Posse_Comitatus_%28U.S._movement%29>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>Quillabamba Pentecostal </w/index.php?title=Quillabamba_Pentecostal&action=edit>
(BBC) <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/693347.stm>Rae Chorze-Fwaz </wiki/Rae_Chorze-Fwaz>
aka Rama computer cult </wiki/Rama_computer_cult>(Wired 2.01) <http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/2.01/lenz.html>(Wired 7.09) <http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/lenz.html>Raelism </wiki/Raelism>
(Salon) <http://archive.salon.com/travel/feature/2000/03/08/raelians/>(Guardian) <http://www.guardian.co.uk/genes/article/0,,848936,00.html>Rajneesh </wiki/Rajneesh>
/OSHO </wiki/OSHO>(Salon) <http://archive.salon.com/travel/feature/2000/03/08/raelians/index1.html>(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Court TV) <http://courttv.com/onair/shows/forensicfiles/episodes/109.html>Randian Objectivist movement </wiki/Objectivist_movement>
(NY Times) <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DEFD81E3AF936A15755C0A96F948260>(Murray N. Rothbard) <http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.html>Rastafarianism </wiki/Rastafarianism>
(Leonard E. Barrett, The Rastafarians, p.104, ISBN 0807010391) <http://books.google.ca/books?vid=ISBN0807010391&pg=PA104&vq=cult&dq=cult&id=swdaI6DfDkEC&start=10&sig=GZxN1W3t0W8RfjRLmPcqM1URJ5o>
Roch Theriault </wiki/Roch_Theriault>
(Salon) <http://archive.salon.com/travel/feature/2000/03/08/raelians/index.html>S-U
Sathya Sai Baba </wiki/Sathya_Sai_Baba>
(Salon) <http://dir.salon.com/people/feature/2001/07/25/baba/index.html?pn=3>for Scientology, see Church of Scientology </wiki/Church_of_Scientology> in this list
Soka-Gakkai </wiki/Soka-Gakkai>
(San Francisco Chronicle) <http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/1995/12/27/MN62956.DTL>Sukyo Mahikari </wiki/Sukyo_Mahikari>
(Sunday Times) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/mahikari/mahikari1.html>(ABCNews.com) <http://www.gsreport.com/articles/art000016.html>(New York Press) <http://nypress.com/print.cfm?content_id=2611>(The Australia/Israel Review) <http://www.aijac.org.au/review/1997/224/sukyo.html>Symbionese Liberation Army </wiki/Symbionese_Liberation_Army>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Guardian) <http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,4120,1494776,00.html>(SF Chronicle) <http://cultinfobooks.com/pub_affnb/obit/obit_singer_margaret.htm>Synanon </wiki/Synanon>
(Salon) <http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/03/29feature.html>(Point Reyes Light) <http://www.ptreyeslight.com/light.html>Transcendental Meditation </wiki/Transcendental_Meditation>
(Martin Gardner, Skeptical Inquirer) <http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_n3_v19/ai_16836643/print>(FR) <http://www.assemblee-nat.fr/rap-enq/r2468.asp>Unification Church </wiki/Unification_Church>
(Salon) <http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news4970328.html>(WP, 1978) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/unification/lovebmb.htm>(Guardian) <http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,555137,00.html>(SF Chronicle) <http://cultinfobooks.com/pub_affnb/obit/obit_singer_margaret.htm>(FR) <http://www.assemblee-nat.fr/rap-enq/r2468.asp>United Nuwaubian Nation of Moors </wiki/United_Nuwaubian_Nation_of_Moors>
/Malachi York </wiki/Malachi_York>(AP) <http://www.rickross.com/reference/nuwaubians/nuwaubians119.html>V-Z
The Way International </wiki/The_Way_International>
(WP) <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/cult/chronology.htm>(Arkansas Democrat-Gazette) <http://www.ardemgaz.com/prev/way/11.html>Westboro Baptist Church </wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church>
of Fred Phelps </wiki/Fred_Phelps>(Salon) <http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/02/19/gays/index_np.html?pn=2>Wikipedia </wiki/Wikipedia>
(Guardian) <http://technology.guardian.co.uk/opinion/story/0,16541,1667346,00.html>William Kamm </wiki/William_Kamm>
(Sydney Morning Herald) <http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/21/1023864503334.html>(ABC.Net) <http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1167600.htm>S
Yea, I know im only 17 years old how can i know all this stuff..I reald the bible. i read everything. I do research on every religion you can think of to see which one best fits me, which one im most comfortable with. But, I have come to realize that i shouldnt be doing research for the true religion for these purposes..I should be looking for the one that Is going to maintain a healthy spirit for me, and will keep me alive and let me have an everrlasting life, if i follow the right worship.
I think you are very mixed up; your first post suggested you had a leaning towards witchcraft and in particular Wicca- now your suggesting that Jehovahs Witnesses have the true religion.
I would suggest that if you truly did research the history of the organisation you wouldnt hold this view.
Research is the key DP; as one of my academics said to me at the outset of my studies, 'question everything, accept nothing'.
I would urge you to follow the same advice.
DB74
Dark_Princess, you are in the dark.
