view of an American from Afghanistan

by Tatiana 44 Replies latest jw friends

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    This was posted on another forum by someone I talk to.....any thoughts on this post?

    "This was sent to me from a friend and is supposedly written by an American that is from Afghanistan."

    > I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing
    > Afghanistan back to
    > the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio
    > today, allowed that
    > this would mean killing innocent people, people who
    > had nothing to do
    > with this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to
    > accept collateral
    > damage. What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard
    > some TV pundit
    > discussing whether we "have the belly to do what
    > must be done."
    >
    > And I thought about the issues being raised
    > especially hard because I
    > am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here
    > for 35 years
    > I've never lost track of what's going on there. So I
    > want to tell
    > anyone who will listen how it all looks from where
    > I'm standing.
    >
    > I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin
    > Laden. There is
    > no doubt in my mind that these people were
    > responsible for the
    > atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be
    > done about
    > those monsters.
    >
    > But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan.
    > They're not even
    > the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a
    > cult of ignorant
    > psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin
    > Laden is a
    > political criminal with a plan. When you think
    > Taliban, think Nazis.
    > When you think Bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you
    > think "the
    > people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews in the
    > concentration camps."
    > It's not only that the Afghan people had nothing to
    > do with this
    > atrocity. They were the first victims of the
    > perpetrators. They
    > would exult if someone would come in there, take out
    > the Taliban and
    > clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed
    > up in their
    > country.
    >
    > Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and
    > overthrow the Taliban?
    > The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,
    > incapacitated,
    > suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations
    > estimated that there
    > are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a
    > country with no
    > economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And
    > the Taliban has
    > been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The
    > soil is littered
    > with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the
    > Soviets. These
    > are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have
    > not overthrown
    > the Taliban.
    >
    > We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan
    > back to the Stone
    > Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took
    > care of it
    > already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already
    > suffering. Level
    > their houses? Don. Turn their schools into piles of
    > rubble? Done.
    > Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their
    > infrastructure? Cut
    > them off from medicine and health care? Too late.
    > Someone already
    > did all that.
    >
    > New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier
    > bombs. Would they at
    > least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's
    > Afghanistan, only the
    > Taliban eat, only they have the means to move
    > around. They'd slip
    > away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of
    > those disabled
    > orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even
    > have wheelchairs.
    > But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn't
    > really be a strike
    > against the criminals who did this horrific thing.
    > Actually it would
    > only be making common cause with the Taliban--by
    > raping once again
    > the people they've been raping all this time
    >
    > So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let
    > me now speak
    > with true fear and trembling. The only way to get
    > Bin Laden is to go
    > in there with ground troops. When people speak of
    > "having the belly
    > to do what needs to be done" they're thinking in
    > terms of having the
    > belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to
    > overcome any
    > moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let's
    > pull our heads out
    > of the sand. What's actually on the table is
    > Americans dying. And
    > not just because some Americans would die fighting
    > their way through
    > Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's much bigger
    > than that
    > folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan,
    > we'd have to go
    > through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely.
    > The conquest of
    > Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim
    > nations just
    > stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting
    > with a world war
    > between Islam and the West.
    >
    > And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's
    > exactly what he
    > wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and
    > statements.
    > It's all right there. He really believes Islam would
    > beat the west.
    > It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can
    > polarize the world
    > into Islam and the West, he's got a billion
    > soldiers. If the west
    > wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion
    > people with
    > nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin
    > Laden's point of
    > view. He's probably wrong, in the end the west would
    > win, whatever
    > that would mean, but the war would last for years
    > and millions would
    > die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for
    > that? Bin
    > Laden does. Anyone else?
    >
    > Tamim Ansary
    >
    >

    April

    "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    WOW! Thanks for sharing this -- it is powerful. I will shae it on some private forums. Thanks again. - Amazing

  • Jools j
    Jools j

    a cry of sanity. thanks for posting this. i will share it.

  • NameWithheld
    NameWithheld

    Those are powerful words. Something to think about.

    I do think that the general American idea of 'going in and teaching them a lesson' at most = the Gulf War, which doesn't seem much like a real war anyway (I'm not making light of the many that died there, just pointing out that to the Americans, the cost and losses were light - it was not a long and drawn out affair). And most Americans think we can just drop some bombs and do the job. I really don't think many realize what it would really take to 'do the job'. And even after that 'job' was done, what mess would remain behind.

    There are no easy answers.

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    *gulp*

    April - thanks for posting that. It contains views I've never even thought of.

    Can you all see we're not just fighting a war of terrorism, but a war of ignorance right in our midst???

    We have our work cut out for us.

    Andi

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    Sobering, daunting, and heart-wrenching.

    Last night I heard an American politician (JW vapors won't allow me to remember their names--Ford is still President, right?) saying much the same thing. They said that this "war" wouldn't be won with bombs. It was going to take ground troops and it was going to take years.

    I still think something needs to be done. Will finding and killing the head of this attack end world terrorism? Of course not. Will attacking the governments that support them? Of course not. Will it cause them to think twice before trying it again? Maybe. Still, maybe "cooler heads" will prevail, and at least the weapons of mass destruction of innocents will not be used, or used sparingly.

    Until this week, I'd never heard of "the Taliban", but if they are really so psychotic and cruel, then they need to be removed for the good of the Afghan people as well.

    Thanks for sharing.

    Hmmm

  • Winston
    Winston

    Hmmm,

    Excellent! We need mercy not sacrifice.

    How long have you LIVED and how long has God LIVED?
    1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to .000000000000000000000000000000001
    Who is like God?
  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Tatiana,

    This info was really needed. Thanks for posting this person's obvious real life experience and observations.

    Man O man I would not like to be in the shoe's of GWB, or any of the other's that must decide on how to proceed!

    Big issues, little if any answer's.

    Danny

  • dungbeetle
    dungbeetle

    Wonderful post (((Tatiana)))... thanks for sharing!!!

  • Winston
    Winston

    I'm sorry I meant to thank Tatiana.

    Great thread, we need to walk a mile in someone elses shoes or bare feet in this case, to keep from getting so full of hate.

    Mercy for the poor, chrippled, and uneducated.

    How long have you LIVED and how long has God LIVED?
    1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to .000000000000000000000000000000001
    Who is like God?

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